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2017/18 Dominic Calvert-Lewin

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Lanolin said:
Of course they do, they just don't come on an Everton forum to do it. Just type Solanke and Ings in to twitter and see what their fans were saying about them leading up to, during, and after the game on Saturday.

I've said before that the lad's done OK this year, but he's playing first team football in the Premier League and that comes with expectation and criticism unfortunately, whoever you play for. If you miss 2 sitters in 3 weeks like he has, people will get on your back. We used to complain about Lukaku when he was the same age, United fans were giving Rooney loads of stick last season despite him literally being one of their all time greats, ask an Arsenal fan about Iwobi if you've got a spare 4 hours to listen to them moan. It's an internet forum for God's sake, people will comment on players as they see fit. He gets loads of support at the games, and people are generally patient with him, but some people on here seem to believe we should be wrapping a 21 year old in cotton wool and be grateful for any positive contribution he makes rather than expecting him to be a functioning member of the team.
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I don't think you can say he isn't a functioning member of the team to be fair.
 
Billy Dean said:
I don't think you can say he isn't a functioning member of the team to be fair.
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And i'm not. What i'm saying is that some people want to jump in with 'you can't expect him to finish from 1 yard because he's only 21' or 'oh you want somebody who once played for Sheffield United's reserves to be able to hold the ball up against a Premier League centre half, don't ask a lot do you'. He's a first team regular for Everton and I expect the same standards from him as I do from any of the others. He's done OK this season and I have no doubt at all that there's more to come from him, but by the same token he hasn't really been at the level I expect from an Everton striker so sometimes I'll moan about him. I think most people are the same, obviously anyone who's writing his entire career off may need to reassess their attitudes to young players but I honestly think some people's willingness to believe every decent prospect is a potential world beater does more harm than good.
 
Lanolin said:
And i'm not. What i'm saying is that some people want to jump in with 'you can't expect him to finish from 1 yard because he's only 21' or 'oh you want somebody who once played for Sheffield United's reserves to be able to hold the ball up against a Premier League centre half, don't ask a lot do you'. He's a first team regular for Everton and I expect the same standards from him as I do from any of the others. He's done OK this season and I have no doubt at all that there's more to come from him, but by the same token he hasn't really been at the level I expect from an Everton striker so sometimes I'll moan about him. I think most people are the same, obviously anyone who's writing his entire career off may need to reassess their attitudes to young players but I honestly think some people's willingness to believe every decent prospect is a potential world beater does more harm than good.
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Sure, but so does aiming similar levels of vitriol at them that are aimed at established senior pros IMO. It's very rare for a young prospect to come in and hit the ground running instantly without making any mistakes.
 

Starting to remind me a lot of Emile Heskey, who had a very successful career in the Prem.

Really hope he adds a boatload of goals to his game soon mind.
 
Timak said:
I read an interview the other day where Sherwood was saying none of the clubs who had him on loan thought he'd make it in the Premier League.

""Every loan I sent him out on, not one manager told me he would make a Premier League player. He struggled to convince the Tottenham fans at first. One of their own? It makes me laugh every time I hear it. They wanted the big name ending in 'o' to come into the team before Harry"
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Barnfred 55 said:
Fair enough mate. I just never saw it myself in the games I watched him in for the England youth teams.

I was also going to add that I'm sure somebody could put together a short video of DCLs goals/assists that paint a pretty picture but I see somebody else has already done it. It doesn't make DCL a better player but it does show how easy it is to be deceived by these short youtube videos.

Agree on a striker being on the wish list for the summer. Top of my list would be a left sided ball playing centre back, followed by a defensive midfielder in the N'Zonzi mould, and a playmaking midfielder like Wilshire or that Turkish lad (both out of contract this summer). After that I would prioritise a left back to rotate and eventually take over from Baines and a seasoned striker to compete/compliment Tosun.

DCL, along with most of our youngsters, would make up the squad numbers.
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I've replied in this thread because it's more relevant than the transfer one.

I know there were doubts about Kane, but they were about his physical attributes not his ability. That's the point I've been trying to make, the comparison between Kane and DCL is pointless because they're the exact opposites of eachother - one has all the physical attributes but doesn't seem a natural striker, the other is a born goalscorer but there were concerns that he was too slow/slight for the top level. Saying 'what were Kane's figures like?' does not help, because they were good, far better than DCL's. Somebody's just posted a video of DCL scoring at the park and tried to compare it to Kane banging them in in the Championship at the same age, it's ridiculous.

I read an article about Kane's loans in which every single person interviewed talks about what a natural goalscorer he was, and how you always knew he would score if you gave him chances and he would always make sure he got a shot away. This is something DCL quite clearly lacks, he doesn't have that instinct to just shoot when the ball falls to him, or that picture in his head of where the goal is so he can just turn and hit one. He can work on that, and can improve his entire game and add more goals undoubtedly, but my opinion is that he'll never be a prolific scorer. For that reason, I believe the Kane (or Shearer or whoever) comparison is absolutely pointless and just piles more pressure on him.

If people were coming on saying 'you don't need to be prolific to be good, look at Heskey, Welbeck, Firmino etc' that would be a much better discussion I think, with a lot of merit.

*Edit* Just found the article I was on about on the off chance you were interested, it also suggests Sherwood's claims were false as it says everyone at Milwall knew he'd play for England but didn't think Ryan Mason would be a PL player. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...pells-of-harry-kane-from-those-who-were-there
 
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Lanolin said:
I've replied in this thread because it's more relevant than the transfer one.

I know there were doubts about Kane, but they were about his physical attributes not his ability. That's the point I've been trying to make, the comparison between Kane and DCL is pointless because they're the exact opposites of eachother - one has all the physical attributes but doesn't seem a natural striker, the other is a born goalscorer but there were concerns that he was too slow/slight for the top level. Saying 'what were Kane's figures like?' does not help, because they were good, far better than DCL's. Somebody's just posted a video of DCL scoring at the park and tried to compare it to Kane banging them in in the Championship at the same age, it's ridiculous.

I read an article about Kane's loans in which every single person interviewed talks about what a natural goalscorer he was, and how you always knew he would score if you gave him chances and he would always make sure he got a shot away. This is something DCL quite clearly lacks, he doesn't have that instinct to just shoot when the ball falls to him, or that picture in his head of where the goal is so he can just turn and hit one. He can work on that, and can improve his entire game and add more goals undoubtedly, but my opinion is that he'll never be a prolific scorer. For that reason, I believe the Kane (or Shearer or whoever) comparison is absolutely pointless and just piles more pressure on him.

If people were coming on saying 'you don't need to be prolific to be good, look at Heskey, Welbeck, Firmino etc' that would be a much better discussion I think, with a lot of merit.

*Edit* Just found the article I was on about on the off chance you were interested, it also suggests Sherwood's claims were false as it says everyone at Milwall knew he'd play for England but didn't think Ryan Mason would be a PL player. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...pells-of-harry-kane-from-those-who-were-there
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Mate, I agreed with you. What do you think "fair enough mate" means?. Just saying I hadn't seen it myself in the lad in the games I saw him for England youth.

And the point of the youtube videos wasn't comparing DCL to Kane (don't want to get into anther argument with you over the definition of comparison). I was just highlighting how easy it was for these youtube videos to deceive, which is why I never put much value in them. Those ones of DCL for example (not all of which were on the park as you insinuated) suggest that DCL is a far more natural goal scorer than we know him to be.

And for what it's worth I also agree that I very much doubt DCL will ever be prolific in the terms of Kane or Lukaku. But I see no reason why, with the right development, he can't be a 10/15 goals per season player whilst offering more to the all round team performance than most prolific scorers tend to. I'm not including Kane in that statement by the way as his all round game is also very good.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
Mate, I agreed with you. What do you think "fair enough mate" means?. Just saying I hadn't seen it myself in the lad in the games I saw him for England youth.

And the point of the youtube videos wasn't comparing DCL to Kane (don't want to get into anther argument with you over the definition of comparison). I was just highlighting how easy it was for these youtube videos to deceive, which is why I never put much value in them. Those ones of DCL for example (not all of which were on the park as you insinuated) suggest that DCL is a far more natural goal scorer than we know him to be.

And for what it's worth I also agree that I very much doubt DCL will ever be prolific in the terms of Kane or Lukaku. But I see no reason why, with the right development, he can't be a 10/15 goals per season player whilst offering more to the all round team performance than most prolific scorers tend to. I'm not including Kane in that statement by the way as his all round game is also very good.
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Sorry I wasn't arguing, I just wanted to reply to both of you in one post so I kind of covered both angles.
 
Barnfred 55 said:
I'm not being ridiculous mate. It wasn't even my post so I don't know why I'm defending it so much.

The post in question was a direct response to posts saying or insinuating that DCL will not make it as a striker at the top level because he is not prolific in front if goal. The poster listed 2 top strikers of recent time who were not prolific at the same age. He never said or implied that DCL would be as good or prolific as said players. He was just making a point that it is wrong to completely write off somebody who has only just turned 21.

He could have made that post in defence of any striker of his age group struggling to score goals at the top level and it would have been as valid.
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This is pretty much all i was trying to say. Why some folk have to be so pedantic is beyond me.
 

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