2017/18 Dominic Calvert-Lewin

[Lelouch]

The lad fed on scraps we hardly slotted him in one on one numerous times a season, Yeah he had some sitters but it happens and he'll learn, The game against Man City shows he has potential it wasn't easy what he had to do that game and not many strikers could accomplish that on his own at a young age without much PL experience.

 

[Barnfred 55]

You can’t be serious?

He is being serious but probably didn't word it that well.

What he meant is that all, or at least most of the doubters of DCL, have given Tosun a lifeline, saying that he's working off scraps, has got nobody in support, is new to the league and the like. When the truth is the same applies to both players, possibly more so DCL as he has been played out of position for half his games.

In my opinion, it's unfair to judge any if our forward players based on this season. The set up of the team has been so negative even Ronaldo and Messi would have struggled to score goals. Apart from Bolasie I think all our forwards and attacking midfielders need another shot in a progressive and offensive system. I'd have Tosun as first choice with DCL and Niasse as back up, and in some games actually play 2 up top. In the meantime I'd be giving DCL individual coaching on his weak area's of finishing, positioning in the box and decision making. If we haven't seen any development by the end of next season then Brands has a decision to make. Even then he'll still only be 22.

 

[Barnfred 55]

A loan at a top championship side would do him the world of good I think. Got a pretty raw deal here last year and was hung out to dry abit by our useless DoFs ability to bring in a CF before the season started. A season playing every week, learning his trade in a competitive league would be great for him, rather than 20 mins here or there for us.

I disagree. I think where he is in his development he would get more out of playing a bit part here and odd starts. He'd get plenty of playing time but more importantly he'd be playing with and against better players and would be challenged. All he'd learn in the championship is how to score against inferior teams and players.

If we bring in another striker in the summer and don't think we can give him sufficient game time to develop, then I'd try and find a loan for him at one of the lower premier teams or in Germany.

There's loads on here who agree with you though mate and I'm probably in the minority with my thinking; so who's right and who's wrong? I point to the fact that I can't think of one player, with DCLs experience of 55 senior games at top level already, who has benefitted from subsequently being loaned out at a lower level.

 

[tim cahill]

He is being serious but probably didn't word it that well.

What he meant is that all, or at least most of the doubters of DCL, have given Tosun a lifeline, saying that he's working off scraps, has got nobody in support, is new to the league and the like. When the truth is the same applies to both players, possibly more so DCL as he has been played out of position for half his games.

In my opinion, it's unfair to judge any if our forward players based on this season. The set up of the team has been so negative even Ronaldo and Messi would have struggled to score goals. Apart from Bolasie I think all our forwards and attacking midfielders need another shot in a progressive and offensive system. I'd have Tosun as first choice with DCL and Niasse as back up, and in some games actually play 2 up top. In the meantime I'd be giving DCL individual coaching on his weak area's of finishing, positioning in the box and decision making. If we haven't seen any development by the end of next season then Brands has a decision to make. Even then he'll still only be 22.

I think people are judging him based on what he’s like in the box when he’s had opportunities.

Tosun looks pretty clinical. DCL looks the opposite.

If you could pick a player in our squad for a chance to fall to 10 yards out, with the keeper to beat then DCL would be way down the list.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I think people are judging him based on what he’s like in the box when he’s had opportunities.

Tosun looks pretty clinical. DCL looks the opposite.

If you could pick a player in our squad for a chance to fall to 10 yards out, with the keeper to beat then DCL would be way down the list.

That's a fair comment.

In that regard it comes down to whether you should judge a 21 year old who is still developing against a 26 year old in his prime. That's probably where most peoples viewpoints differ.

I actually don't think he's missed that many sitters, but it's definitely a side to his game, along with his movement inside the box, that needs to improve a lot if he is to have a long career with us. I don't think he's had any personal coaching to improve his game since he's been at Everton. Both Koeman and Allardyce were managers that just coached tactics. Hopefully the new guy will be different. A lot of his lack of composure may also be down to lack of confidence and I'm hoping that playing in a team creating more chances may help it that regard. Time will tell.

 

[Raino85]

That's a fair comment.

In that regard it comes down to whether you should judge a 21 year old who is still developing against a 26 year old in his prime. That's probably where most peoples viewpoints differ.

I actually don't think he's missed that many sitters, but it's definitely a side to his game, along with his movement inside the box, that needs to improve a lot if he is to have a long career with us. I don't think he's had any personal coaching to improve his game since he's been at Everton. Both Koeman and Allardyce were managers that just coached tactics. Hopefully the new guy will be different. A lot of his lack of composure may also be down to lack of confidence and I'm hoping that playing in a team creating more chances may help it that regard. Time will tell.

I think if you take the weird one at stoke were he decided try his hardest to miss, i would hardly call any other chance he's missed a sitter. Problem is people have hung onto that chance and are now using it as a stick to beat him with
People would probably jump on the chance in the derby, but htat is a harder effort than you think (that dosent mean no one would score it, or given the opportunity again he wouldnt, its just a chance even the likes of Kane or Lukaku could possibly miss

 

[blueloon]

A Championship loan suits different types of players better than others. It’s a league which demands effort and application and allows the younger players to either show they have it or to develop it. Connolly, Williams, Robinson showed they had it last season and did well, Dowell developed it more during the first half of the season, playing a full 90mins at times. For me it’s hard to see what a Championship loan what do for DCL. We know that one of his strengths is his willingness to run down every ball and you can’t fault his effort and application. His weakness is on his ability to finish off chances and score more goals. He would likely get more chances in the Championship but would it make him sharper to score with fewer chances and less space in the PL?

So the question is who is best placed to help him work on his weaknesses. ? In the Championship you are either trying to get in the playoffs or avoid a relegation dogfight. We know from past loans that Championship managers are often changed out which really affects the players on loan, and if it’s a relegation dogfight they are reluctant to pitch young players into it, preferring experience. We really should have a set up where he gets specific training and development at our club and we get the best out of him.

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

A Championship loan suits different types of players better than others. It’s a league which demands effort and application and allows the younger players to either show they have it or to develop it. Connolly, Williams, Robinson showed they had it last season and did well, Dowell developed it more during the first half of the season, playing a full 90mins at times. For me it’s hard to see what a Championship loan what do for DCL. We know that one of his strengths is his willingness to run down every ball and you can’t fault his effort and application. His weakness is on his ability to finish off chances and score more goals. He would likely get more chances in the Championship but would it make him sharper to score with fewer chances and less space in the PL?

So the question is who is best placed to help him work on his weaknesses. ? In the Championship you are either trying to get in the playoffs or avoid a relegation dogfight. We know from past loans that Championship managers are often changed out which really affects the players on loan, and if it’s a relegation dogfight they are reluctant to pitch young players into it, preferring experience. We really should have a set up where he gets specific training and development at our club and we get the best out of him.

A loan to a more technical league would probably benefit DCL more.

 

[waggy27]

The thing that encourages me about Calvert-Lewin is the undeniable progress he has made since he made his debut. If he can make a significant improvement over the last 18 months as he has done, then it's logical to think he can still improve further. I don't see anyone claiming he is the finished article, but I think he will improve further, and as he gets stronger will be a scary prospect for defenders. If he can become more clinical in front of goal he will be a good player, and I think his output in goals/assists wasn't bad for a player in their first full season in a poor attacking side.

 

[Aries]

I think DCL is a very good footballer. Not sure he’ll make a clinical striker, but he definitely has skill and technically very good. Good footballer.

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

A loan to a more technical league would probably benefit DCL more.

Exactly. He's already got the attributes the championship teaches you.

 

[little elfin]

He is average but I like him

 

[Simon baker]

He is average but I like him

See the thing with him which makes me think he will make it.
At 19 years of age he ran past Jordan Henderson like he was a pub player then when Henderson tried to foul him he bounced of him & he simply accelerated away.

Henderson is a poor footballer but he is strong & quick in fact he holds his own In this department against anyone in the whole league.

His physicallity aged 25 is going to be remarkable I also think he has a bit of niggle & once he fills out will just swat centre half’s for fun.

Don’t think he willl ever be an out and out goalsacorer but his physicality will be world level.

 

[CRIMHEAD]

A Championship loan suits different types of players better than others. It’s a league which demands effort and application and allows the younger players to either show they have it or to develop it. Connolly, Williams, Robinson showed they had it last season and did well, Dowell developed it more during the first half of the season, playing a full 90mins at times. For me it’s hard to see what a Championship loan what do for DCL. We know that one of his strengths is his willingness to run down every ball and you can’t fault his effort and application. His weakness is on his ability to finish off chances and score more goals. He would likely get more chances in the Championship but would it make him sharper to score with fewer chances and less space in the PL?

So the question is who is best placed to help him work on his weaknesses. ? In the Championship you are either trying to get in the playoffs or avoid a relegation dogfight. We know from past loans that Championship managers are often changed out which really affects the players on loan, and if it’s a relegation dogfight they are reluctant to pitch young players into it, preferring experience. We really should have a set up where he gets specific training and development at our club and we get the best out of him.

This is pretty much it. He's already played under the pressure cooker of the PL, so the crowds and intensity of the Championship isn't really going to help him too much perhaps.

However, I do believe a stint in a league that has a bit more time for him to work on his technical abilities and grow his confidence wouldn't be a bad thing for him. Perhaps Brands and/or the next manager think he's better served here working everyday on his finishing and his positioning / footwork / first touch, all of which I think contributes to his ability to beat a keeper. EITHER WAY, if he stays with the big club, does anyone expect him to get a lot of game time? I don't think anyone picks him ahead of Tosun or Niasse and I think we all expect the roster to get better, not worse.

But man, his size and speed could make him a monster, and he may, like many larger forwards, simply take a bit more time to develop. The kid just turned 21 in March. I vote for a stint somewhere else, provided they have solid training facilities and management. The game is still the best teacher to me, regardless of work on the training pitch.

 

[Albro]

I get why people say certain players are still young and will improve etc. But I have seen enough of DCL to know that he is not good enough for a team who talks about being in the top six of the Prem.

The lad is not a finisher, his first touch is poor, and his passing is not good enough. He isn’t good enough. That’s not the end of the world, he can go on to have a good career somewhere else, but being a great athlete does not equal being a great footballer.

His finishing is poor and it needs work, and good coaching. His first touch isn't even bad, nor his passing.