Donald Trump for President Thread

[VentureBrosEFC]

Look mate we are talking about two entirely different things here. I think owning a gun is a MASSIVE responsibility for the individual and the impact it can have on society as a whole. I simply don't think background checks are 'going too far' with regards to gun ownership.

Regarding criminals and the plight that many of them have, I have nothing but sympathy for many of them as they have been dealt a very rough hand. One of my former employees was excellent, and was trying to straighten out his life. I was about your age when I hired him, and I knew he dealt drugs prior to me hiring him. He was very lucky that he'd never been caught, and he had a kid on the way, so I thought I'd give him a chance. He did great...but after a couple of months he left to return to dealing drugs simply because he could make more money in one night than he could make every two weeks with me. I appreciated that he was up front and honest and I held no ill will towards him. Hell, he even offered to allow me to be a silent partner in his dealings. Nothing would ever come back to me except return on investment. There was a massive part of me that wanted to do it, but I just couldn't bring myself to invest in what I knew was crack at the end of the day and the lives my profits would destroy.

You just pretended I was saying this. I never said I opposed background checks and even mention the problem of gun shows.

 

[ilikecheese]

From what you are putting forth in your writing here (which you're right is all I have to go by) I can infer pretty easily what type of person you are and who you associate with just as you are within your rights to infer that I am "insane" as you have and expressed by reading what I've written so again this "you don't know me" garbage is a horrible deflection technique from what you're actually putting forward which is a load of bullpoo (a CONVICTION stays on criminal records which most people use for employment and now the prospect of teaching for sure is beyond them forever for a mistake made once 10 years ago and due to their skin color).

Regarding the gateway crime theory you didn't even address the point I made through it you simply plowed on ahead just regurgitating what you already said.

A conviction stays on your criminal record forever unless you get in expunged.

A conviction does not stay on a background check forever though. Depending on what state you work in there is a finite time that potential employers can see of someone's background. Because I'm in the state of California (Oakland to be specific before you automatically try to judge who I am), we can only check someone's record for the last seven years. It is state law.

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

A conviction stays on your criminal record forever unless you get in expunged.

A conviction does not stay on a background check forever though. Depending on what state you work in there is a finite time that potential employers can see of someone's background. Because I'm in the state of California (Oakland to be specific before you automatically try to judge who I am), we can only check someone's record for the last seven years. It is state law.

Stop with this bs. If you don't want someone to simply judge you by what you say don't in turn say the other person is insane. You can't have it both ways.

 

[ilikecheese]

Anyway...I sure hope Trump loses.

Wish I lived in a battleground state where my vote really made a difference.

 

[bicycleheader]

Its like some script writer has created two sterotype characters - the immigrant fearing zero empathy loon and the govt fearing gun nut- and has plopped them into our little community so we can have real examples of the people behind the headlines and news stories we all read in disbelief.

Unfortunately there are real people behind those avatars and their education has gone arseways at some point.

Some dangerously stupid stuff in this thread in the last few days.

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

Its like some script writer has created two sterotype characters - the immigrant fearing zero empathy loon and the govt fearing gun nut- and has plopped them into our little community so we can have real examples of the people behind the headlines and news stories we all read in disbelief.

Unfortunately there are real people behind those avatars and their education has gone arseways at some point.

Some dangerously stupid stuff in this thread in the last few days.

Games can't come back quick enough ... for everyone.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

In what sense can we turn to the state? They direct the narrative and disregard our rights so I would say there is no one to turn to. Do you honestly feel that you have anything to fear from people like this? Are you part of a corrupt ruling class? Maybe (more probably) I'm giving too much intellectual credit to the others that feel the way I do but I would never start taking lives to make a point. I have a rule in life that I will never start a fight with anyone unless an egregious provocation has already happened. In the end I care little about the direction the world is going in but if you begin to annex my land which has happened a lot to neighbors of mine then there comes a point where you have to "stand your ground" so to speak unless you really just want to succumb to whatever is thrown at you. And to be clear as I feel your religious right comment was directed towards me I am a philosophical Buddhist, epiphenomenalist, who sees organized and doctrinal religions as cancerous to a certain extent (without wanting to go overboard).

Not at all mate. I've grown up very much as a fan of America and its Hank Reardon/Howard Roark ideals. That image seems to have gone, or at least has become incredibly polarised in recent years by a religious right that are anything but socially liberal, whether it's on gun ownership, gender/racial equality, abortion, homosexuality/gay marriage, evolution and so on, in many ways they seem just as radical as those in ISIS, and yet if you look at the presidential candidates for the Republicans, they all bow down to this group, despite the clear breech of the 1st amendment in regards to how this then treats those of other faiths (or none at all).

 

[LinekersLegs]

For those interested in the geeky bits of polling, September is the time when polls begin to switch their focus to Likely Voter screens rather than Registered Voters although some will provide data for both (the CNN poll today that caused such excitement did just that, RVs showed Clinton winning and LVs showed Trump ahead).

Found this as one of the better explanations of what LV means

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

Not at all mate. I've grown up very much as a fan of America and its Hank Reardon/Howard Roark ideals. That image seems to have gone, or at least has become incredibly polarised in recent years by a religious right that are anything but socially liberal, whether it's on gun ownership, gender/racial equality, abortion, homosexuality/gay marriage, evolution and so on, in many ways they seem just as radical as those in ISIS, and yet if you look at the presidential candidates for the Republicans, they all bow down to this group, despite the clear breech of the 1st amendment in regards to how this then treats those of other faiths (or none at all).

Fair nuff. I'm not a fan at all of the religious right but I'm not sure referring to them as ISIS like is really how to approach them (until they start chopping heads off (who knows could be soon)). I feel like for this country to heal we have to stop the condemnation and finger pointing (not to say you would do that to individual people) and simply teach, but who knows if that will ever happen.

 

[ilikecheese]

For those interested in the geeky bits of polling, September is the time when polls begin to switch their focus to Likely Voter screens rather than Registered Voters although some will provide data for both (the CNN poll today that caused such excitement did just that, RVs showed Clinton winning and LVs showed Trump ahead).

Found this as one of the better explanations of what LV means

LL...as a non American female living in America, does the fact that Clinton could be the first female US president resonate at all for you at all?

I feel like the Dems are not at all playing this card...do they feel it would be damaging? It would be an historic moment for the nation.

For me Trump is the worst candidate that the Right has produced in my lifetime. He is the Twitter candidate. He says outlandish things that are sometimes true, sometimes half true, and sometimes out and out lies, but he does it in a way that people gravitate to for reasons that are beyond my understanding. For me he is a cartoon...a laughable buffoon...but one who is scary as hell because he actually might dupe a nation into electing him.

 

[LinekersLegs]

LL...as a non American female living in America, does the fact that Clinton could be the first female US president resonate at all for you at all?

I feel like the Dems are not at all playing this card...do they feel it would be damaging? It would be an historic moment for the nation.

For me Trump is the worst candidate that the Right has produced in my lifetime. He is the Twitter candidate. He says outlandish things that are sometimes true, sometimes half true, and sometimes out and out lies, but he does it in a way that people gravitate to for reasons that are beyond my understanding. For me he is a cartoon...a laughable buffoon...but one who is scary as hell because he actually might dupe a nation into electing him.

Not much tbh, certainly not to the same extent as Obama becoming the first African American president as I thought that might take a lot longer. But then Thatcher was already Prime Minister when I became really aware of politics so that probably has an impact on me that wouldn't be the case with a native born American.

As for Trump, it is late and I'm probably best not spiking my blood pressure higher thinking about him being elected!

 

[ilikecheese]

Not much tbh, certainly not to the same extent as Obama becoming the first African American president as I thought that might take a lot longer. But then Thatcher was already Prime Minister when I became really aware of politics so that probably has an impact on me that wouldn't be the case with a native born American.

As for Trump, it is late and I'm probably best not spiking my blood pressure higher thinking about him being elected!

Interesting. I will agree with you regarding Obama's election...it was a massive wow moment for me in terms of it happening well before I thought it would. Made me proud to be an American that a black man could win the presidency...even if the racists on the right wing tried over and over and over again to paint him as an Indonesian Muslim Terrorist. Sickens me the depths the right will go. So many on here align themselves with those who would propagate such propaganda...it makes me very sad that smart people align themselves with those folks.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Fair nuff. I'm not a fan at all of the religious right but I'm not sure referring to them as ISIS like is really how to approach them (until they start chopping heads off (who knows could be soon)). I feel like for this country to heal we have to stop the condemnation and finger pointing (not to say you would do that to individual people) and simply teach, but who knows if that will ever happen.

The thing is, I'd argue they're more dangerous. It's well known that we tend to attribute importance to things based upon how memorable they are, and terrorists attacks are incredibly memorable, so we believe ourselves to be under considerably more threat than we actually are as a result.

By contrast, the hijacking of the Republican party is something that could (and is) having a huge, daily impact not just on Americans but people around the world, especially if Trump were to be elected.

 

[ilikecheese]

The thing is, I'd argue they're more dangerous. It's well known that we tend to attribute importance to things based upon how memorable they are, and terrorists attacks are incredibly memorable, so we believe ourselves to be under considerably more threat than we actually are as a result.

By contrast, the hijacking of the Republican party is something that could (and is) having a huge, daily impact not just on Americans but people around the world, especially if Trump were to be elected.

The global impact of him being the American President is not a good thing.

The globe will take two steps back.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Its like some script writer has created two sterotype characters - the immigrant fearing zero empathy loon and the govt fearing gun nut- and has plopped them into our little community so we can have real examples of the people behind the headlines and news stories we all read in disbelief.

Unfortunately there are real people behind those avatars and their education has gone arseways at some point.

Some dangerously stupid stuff in this thread in the last few days.

It's a Donald trump for president thread, what did expect.