Donald Trump for President Thread

[VentureBrosEFC]

The thing is, I'd argue they're more dangerous. It's well known that we tend to attribute importance to things based upon how memorable they are, and terrorists attacks are incredibly memorable, so we believe ourselves to be under considerably more threat than we actually are as a result.

By contrast, the hijacking of the Republican party is something that could (and is) having a huge, daily impact not just on Americans but people around the world, especially if Trump were to be elected.

Valid but I would say that terrorists while they aren't an extreme danger to western nations like America they are an extreme danger to the people they supposedly represent. Not only do they murder for principle without a trial and for frivolous reasons but due to America's policy of drone strikes and the fact that we are very ineffective at who we target it causes immediate mortal damage to scores of people and hinders the advancement of a good portion of the Arab world. While Trump becoming president would make everything tense, with the revelations of his basically offering the office to Kasich if he were to accept the vice presidency I think it's safe to say he would have little effect on policy. Now the more interesting point is the effect he would have on the voting base. I honestly feel like he will F off after losing to Hilary and it will become this half real dream that we all went through. The way the party really can't stand him is staggering.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Valid but I would say that terrorists while they aren't an extreme danger to western nations like America they are an extreme danger to the people they supposedly represent. Not only do they murder for principle without a trial and for frivolous reasons but due to America's policy of drone strikes and the fact that we are very ineffective at who we target it causes immediate mortal damage to scores of people and hinders the advancement of a good portion of the Arab world. While Trump becoming president would make everything tense, with the revelations of his basically offering the office to Kasich if he were to accept the vice presidency I think it's safe to say he would have little effect on policy. Now the more interesting point is the effect he would have on the voting base. I honestly feel like he will F off after losing to Hilary and it will become this half real dream that we all went through. The way the party really can't stand him is staggering.

To be honest, I'm not convinced that the issue is confined solely to Trump, and that if the GOP get rid of him then a semblance of normality will return. He's just playing to the gallery that already exists. People like Ted Cruz were equally radical imo, as he opposes gay marriage and abortion, is heavily pro-guns, supports the death penalty, denies climate change and doesn't believe in evolution (as none of the GOP candidates do!). Heck, he even said that most criminals are democrats ffs. He was next in line after Trump.

There doesn't appear to be a great deal of difference there between them and hardline clerics in the middle east in terms of social views.

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

To be honest, I'm not convinced that the issue is confined solely to Trump, and that if the GOP get rid of him then a semblance of normality will return. He's just playing to the gallery that already exists. People like Ted Cruz were equally radical imo, as he opposes gay marriage and abortion, is heavily pro-guns, supports the death penalty, denies climate change and doesn't believe in evolution (as none of the GOP candidates do!). Heck, he even said that most criminals are democrats ffs. He was next in line after Trump.

There doesn't appear to be a great deal of difference there between them and hardline clerics in the middle east in terms of social views.

We shall see. As I said before, I don't hold out much hope.

 

[SNova]

To be honest, I'm not convinced that the issue is confined solely to Trump, and that if the GOP get rid of him then a semblance of normality will return. He's just playing to the gallery that already exists. People like Ted Cruz were equally radical imo, as he opposes gay marriage and abortion, is heavily pro-guns, supports the death penalty, denies climate change and doesn't believe in evolution (as none of the GOP candidates do!). Heck, he even said that most criminals are democrats ffs. He was next in line after Trump.

There doesn't appear to be a great deal of difference there between them and hardline clerics in the middle east in terms of social views.

I would hinder a guess that a majority of people support the death penalty.

 

[LinekersLegs]

I would hinder a guess that a majority of people support the death penalty.

At 40 year lows in support but yes, overall majority still supoort it - not surprisingly it splits quite sharply on party identification with the majority of Democrats opposed and declining support among independents.

http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/16/less-support-for-death-penalty-especially-among-democrats/

 

[SNova]

At 40 year lows in support but yes, overall majority still supoort it - not surprisingly it splits quite sharply on party identification with the majority of Democrats opposed and declining support among independents.

http://www.people-press.org/2015/04/16/less-support-for-death-penalty-especially-among-democrats/

Ah right, I'd also guess the majority in other Anglo countries would be in favour.

I don't think I've met many people who oppose it.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I don't think I've met many people who oppose it.

How do you do?

 

[SNova]

How do you do?

Why? Is it because of the threat of an innocent being killed?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Why? Is it because of the threat of an innocent being killed?

As a general rule, most things that were promoted in the old testament are bad, and an eye for an eye is not really any better. Reminds me of Gandalf.

“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.”

 

[SNova]

As a general rule, most things that were promoted in the old testament are bad, and an eye for an eye is not really any better. Reminds me of Gandalf.

“Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement.”

Not even for child molesters and killers?

 

[LinekersLegs]

Ah right, I'd also guess the majority in other Anglo countries would be in favour.

I don't think I've met many people who oppose it.

Perhaps you need to get out more? Varies between whether overall majority support or oppose but with 40%-50% in opposition they should be relatively easy to find.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32061822
Support for the death penalty in Britain has dropped below 50% for the first time on record, an annual opinion survey says.
The NatCen British Social Attitudes Report found 48% of the 2,878 people it surveyed were in favour of capital punishment.
It is the lowest figure since the survey began in 1983, when around 75% of people were in favour.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam..._towards_the_death_penalty_at_home_and_abroad
There is, however, a somewhat inconsistent attitude to the death penalty amongst Australians. Public opinion polls reveal marked differences, depending on whether those on death row are Australians or foreigners, and whether the crimes were committed in Australia or overseas. When it comes to domestic murder convictions, Australians are resolutely opposed to the death penalty, with 67 percent preferring imprisonment, and only 23 percent favouring capital punishment, according to a 2009 poll. Swap the crime to drug offences committed overseas, and there is suddenly less opposition to capital punishment. When a January 2015 Morgan poll asked respondents: ‘In Malaysia, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Singapore and some other countries, the penalty for drug trafficking is death. If an Australian is convicted of trafficking drugs in another country and sentenced to death, in your opinion, should the penalty be carried out or not?’, 52 percent answered ‘yes’, and 48 percent ‘no’. When terrorism offences enter the fray, views on the death penalty shift yet again. A small majority (52.5 percent) of Australians favour the death penalty for deadly terrorist acts in Australia. Former Prime Minister John Howard favoured the death penalty in Indonesia for the perpetrators of the 2002 Bali bombings, which claimed 202 lives, including 88 Australians.

http://abacusdata.ca/canadians-mora...tly-from-that-of-our-neighbours-to-the-south/
there is almost no difference when it comes to the death penalty, with majorities in both countries (58% in Canada, 59% in the US) considering it morally right.

 

[Woolverhampton_Blue]

Ah right, I'd also guess the majority in other Anglo countries would be in favour.

I don't think I've met many people who oppose it.

Is the US not the only Anglo country left that still favours it?

If you look at a list of countries by number of executions, the US is in dubious company to say the least.

 

[neil999]

The religious right and their support of the death penalty is an interesting one


Err...thou shall not kill

 

[SNova]

Perhaps you need to get out more? Varies between whether overall majority support or oppose but with 40%-50% in opposition they should be relatively easy to find.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32061822
Support for the death penalty in Britain has dropped below 50% for the first time on record, an annual opinion survey says.
The NatCen British Social Attitudes Report found 48% of the 2,878 people it surveyed were in favour of capital punishment.
It is the lowest figure since the survey began in 1983, when around 75% of people were in favour.

http://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliam..._towards_the_death_penalty_at_home_and_abroad
There is, however, a somewhat inconsistent attitude to the death penalty amongst Australians. Public opinion polls reveal marked differences, depending on whether those on death row are Australians or foreigners, and whether the crimes were committed in Australia or overseas. When it comes to domestic murder convictions, Australians are resolutely opposed to the death penalty, with 67 percent preferring imprisonment, and only 23 percent favouring capital punishment, according to a 2009 poll. Swap the crime to drug offences committed overseas, and there is suddenly less opposition to capital punishment. When a January 2015 Morgan poll asked respondents: ‘In Malaysia, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Singapore and some other countries, the penalty for drug trafficking is death. If an Australian is convicted of trafficking drugs in another country and sentenced to death, in your opinion, should the penalty be carried out or not?’, 52 percent answered ‘yes’, and 48 percent ‘no’. When terrorism offences enter the fray, views on the death penalty shift yet again. A small majority (52.5 percent) of Australians favour the death penalty for deadly terrorist acts in Australia. Former Prime Minister John Howard favoured the death penalty in Indonesia for the perpetrators of the 2002 Bali bombings, which claimed 202 lives, including 88 Australians.

http://abacusdata.ca/canadians-mora...tly-from-that-of-our-neighbours-to-the-south/
there is almost no difference when it comes to the death penalty, with majorities in both countries (58% in Canada, 59% in the US) considering it morally right.

Surprising. Although, if it came to a referendum I think that we'd vote for it to be honest.

Is the US not the only Anglo country left that still favours it?

If you look at a list of countries by number of executions, the US is in dubious company to say the least.

The only opposition to it that I find somewhat persuadable is an innocent being executed by mistake.

 

[Ruairi77]

The only opposition to it that I find somewhat persuadable is an innocent being executed by mistake.

The fact that there is even a slight chance of this means the punishment should be abandoned.
When it comes to terrorism, all the death penalty does is create martyrs.
It's an antiquated practice that has no place in civilized society.