Donald Trump for President Thread

[Moomin]

oh I'm going to enjoy the show all the way until the end baby! And I'm going to enjoy the karma bus making stops all over the USA for the next 4 years

PS He clearly won the debate yesterday.

According to YouGov polls Clinton won the debate on all fronts.

 

[RaleighBlue]

Hillary's positive qualifications:

Pro-choice
Pro-contraception
Stance on climate change
Stance on socialized medicine
Stance on gender identity and government interference
Stance on sexual orientation and government interference
Anti-stop and frisk
No imprisonment for marijuana users
Treatment > punishment regarding minor drug offenses
Pro gun-control


Her liberal bona fides are poor. She's way too far to the right regarding here economic stance. She's also untrustworthy and very likely corrupt.

She is also socially liberal.

She does have positive aspects. They're just disappointing, because she has a huge amount of baggage and fails miserably regarding her military and economic voting records.

 

[The Esk]

I'm trying to find any positive quality in the "woman" without having to reference Trump mate.

Seeing as you asked, she has experience and has supported some very worthwhile causes

Most qualified candidate:

Senior Class President of Wellesley College
Graduated with Honours from Yale Law School
Worked on Presidential campaigns of Barry Goldwater (1964), George McGovern (1972), and Jimmy Carter (1976)
Senator Walter Mondale’s committee for migrant workers 1971
Co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families
Named one of 100 most powerful lawyers in America by the National Law Journal in 1988 & 1991
8 Years as First Lady of the United States
Served as US Senator from New York
Served as US Secretary of State

Supported the following causes/beliefs:

Global Health Initiative
Women's rights
Equal pay
Pro LGT rights
Pro-Gun control
Pro choice

* I'm not pro Hillary at all but you did ask for positives

 

[kithnou]

Actually there is quite a lot I like about her policy positions - in particularly increasing taxes on higher earners, paid family leave, reforming immigration laws, addiction treatment, removing mandatory minimum sentencing laws and improving police training...

She has several characters flaws but I like her logical approach to problems, attention to detail and she seems able to stay calm under pressure.

Thank you LL. Finally I get a response of substance and not just an anti-Trump sentiment.

 

[MrPerfectNot]

@kithnou What are Trump's positive qualities or qualifications?

 

[kithnou]

Hillary's positive qualifications:

Pro-choice
Pro-contraception
Stance on climate change
Stance on socialized medicine
Stance on gender identity and government interference
Stance on sexual orientation and government interference
Anti-stop and frisk
No imprisonment for marijuana users
Treatment > punishment regarding minor drug offenses
Pro gun-control


Her liberal bona fides are poor. She's way too far to the right regarding here economic stance. She's also untrustworthy and very likely corrupt.

She is also socially liberal.

She does have positive aspects. They're just disappointing, because she has a huge amount of baggage and fails miserably regarding her military and economic voting records.

Thanks. That's what I am looking for. I actually agree with most of the above.

 

[kithnou]

@kithnou What are Trump's positive qualities or qualifications?

None

 

[kithnou]

Seeing as you asked, she has experience and has supported some very worthwhile causes

Most qualified candidate:

Senior Class President of Wellesley College
Graduated with Honours from Yale Law School
Worked on Presidential campaigns of Barry Goldwater (1964), George McGovern (1972), and Jimmy Carter (1976)
Senator Walter Mondale’s committee for migrant workers 1971
Co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families
Named one of 100 most powerful lawyers in America by the National Law Journal in 1988 & 1991
8 Years as First Lady of the United States
Served as US Senator from New York
Served as US Secretary of State

Supported the following causes/beliefs:

Global Health Initiative
Women's rights
Equal pay
Pro LGT rights
Pro-Gun control
Pro choice

Thanks mate. You see my point? Why can't we have discussion on all these achievements rather than have 192 pages of anti Trump and that's the only reason she "has to win"

 

[MrPerfectNot]

None

Anyone? Seriously, I'd like to see someone put forth something sincere.

 

[VentureBrosEFC]

oh I'm going to enjoy the show all the way until the end baby! And I'm going to enjoy the karma bus making stops all over the USA for the next 4 years

PS He clearly won the debate yesterday.

I wouldn't be tooting that horn too much. I don't know your ethnic background but Australia hasn't exactly been an amazing example of a country unless you'd think the karma bus will forget about the treatment of the aboriginal communities.

 

[kithnou]

Anyone? Seriously, I'd like to see someone put forth something sincere.

Can't help out there, sorry.

 

[kithnou]

I wouldn't be tooting that horn too much. I don't know your ethnic background but Australia hasn't exactly been an amazing example of a country unless you'd think the karma bus will forget about the treatment of the aboriginal communities.

lol..ok

 

[The Esk]

@kithnou What are Trump's positive qualities or qualifications?

He's a pragmatic conservative, not an ideological conservative - not that I agree that any form of conservatism is good.

 

[dandydan]

According to YouGov polls Clinton won the debate on all fronts.

Well if opinion polls say so it must be true.

 

[RaleighBlue]

Thank you LL. Finally I get a response of substance and not just an anti-Trump sentiment.

Yeah, this has been an extremely negative campaign season all the way around. Trump has been so ridiculous (and negative) that it's really easy to spend the entire time making a 'not Trump' case instead of a pro Clinton case.

It's also easier to do, because many of here 'supporters' either fall far to the left of her, or spent the primary ragging on Bernie-bros and their antics.

That said, Clinton is the better candidate in this election, and part of that has to do with her opposition. I think she'd be better than Romney or W. Bush as well though. And especially the dangerous force that was Ted Cruz earlier. The GOP has done such a great job alienating people like myself that the opposition is meaningless. I need it to not be Trump. It being Trump would cause a serious existential crisis in my thinking of my country. I don't think I'm alone.

Clinton is a politician. She will not fix all of our problems, and considering her ties with Wall Street may well make some of them worse. However, I think she at least has positives regarding how the government works for the People. Her beliefs have historically been liberal regarding rights (womens, racial, gender identity, etc.). She has also backed improving our social infrastructure (desperately needed), and bringing us closer to par with the rest of the first world on things like family leave and workers rights.

None of this particularly excuses the fact that she's a war hawk, or that she is best friends with the people that will almost certainly cause another economic crash here shortly. But it is absolutely enough for someone like myself to shrug my shoulders, check the Clinton box, and hope desperately that there are enough like-minded Americans out there to prevent a Trump presidency...which could well signal the end of the 'American Empire'. And I suspect the end of that won't be as friendly as the end of the British one.