Donald Trump for President Thread

[bring the ghost on]

PS He clearly won the debate yesterday.

Have you watched the whole debate?

I watched it today and thought Trump came across second best for almost every question. He did a little better than in his first performance, but debating is clearly not one of his strengths.

 

[RaleighBlue]

Well if opinion polls say so it must be true.

...that's kind of how democracies and republics work.

If the people believe someone won...they won.

 

[dandydan]

...that's kind of how democracies and republics work.

If the people believe someone won...they won.

They haven't been doing too well over here.

 

[bring the ghost on]

He's a pragmatic conservative, not an ideological conservative - not that I agree that any form of conservatism is good.

I would say he's very strictly ideological on a lot of his conservatism Esk, he will certainly fight tooth and nail for free-market, low-tax and small government and would not be pragmatic on those points at all.

 

[kithnou]

Yeah, this has been an extremely negative campaign season all the way around. Trump has been so ridiculous (and negative) that it's really easy to spend the entire time making a 'not Trump' case instead of a pro Clinton case.

It's also easier to do, because many of here 'supporters' either fall far to the left of her, or spent the primary ragging on Bernie-bros and their antics.

That said, Clinton is the better candidate in this election, and part of that has to do with her opposition. I think she'd be better than Romney or W. Bush as well though. And especially the dangerous force that was Ted Cruz earlier. The GOP has done such a great job alienating people like myself that the opposition is meaningless. I need it to not be Trump. It being Trump would cause a serious existential crisis in my thinking of my country. I don't think I'm alone.

Clinton is a politician. She will not fix all of our problems, and considering her ties with Wall Street may well make some of them worse. However, I think she at least has positives regarding how the government works for the People. Her beliefs have historically been liberal regarding rights (womens, racial, gender identity, etc.). She has also backed improving our social infrastructure (desperately needed), and bringing us closer to par with the rest of the first world on things like family leave and workers rights.

None of this particularly excuses the fact that she's a war hawk, or that she is best friends with the people that will almost certainly cause another economic crash here shortly. But it is absolutely enough for someone like myself to shrug my shoulders, check the Clinton box, and hope desperately that there are enough like-minded Americans out there to prevent a Trump presidency...which could well signal the end of the 'American Empire'. And I suspect the end of that won't be as friendly as the end of the British one.

Great post.
May I ask you, with the majority of Americans, in fact this would apply to many countries around the world, fed up with politicians and looking for someone not in the system, where does it leave them?

 

[bring the ghost on]

It was incredibly distasteful of Trump to pay Bill Clinton's "victims" to appear in the audience of the debate (what is the purpose of that?). However, the real low point was when he referred to the rape victim being in the audience (the victim in the trial where Hillary Clinton represented the defence).

 

[RaleighBlue]

They haven't been doing too well over here.

Yeah, and I'd get the point if you were saying polls were suggesting that Clinton was going to win the presidency. But polls are our only indicator of who 'won' a debate.

 

[kithnou]

He's a pragmatic conservative, not an ideological conservative - not that I agree that any form of conservatism is good.

Agree. I am as non-conservative as anyone in here and would never vote for a conservative.
Trump was supposed to be the agent of change. The anti-establishment candidate people are hoping for as they are fed up with the system and politicians.
The Trump train has got completely off track and is constantly sidetracked.

 

[kithnou]

Have you watched the whole debate?

I watched it today and thought Trump came across second best for almost every question. He did a little better than in his first performance, but debating is clearly not one of his strengths.

I should have said that yesterday's event was not a debate. It was a 90 minute farce of abuse. I think he had her on the ropes with more shots. It was meant to be his night of execution but I thought he turned it around well.
He'll still lose by a mile though.

 

[ilikecheese]

@kithnou What are Trump's positive qualities or qualifications?

He's an utterly repugnant trumpet that duped the GOP into paving the way for a Democrat to be elected into the White House?

 

[Joey66]

His backers are making sure they hold the upper house to stifle Clinton - it would have to be a miracle if he gets power now!

 

[kithnou]

He's an utterly repugnant trumpet that duped the GOP into paving the way for a Democrat to be elected into the White House?

They had no other worthy candidates. The people had no choice but to vote Trump really.

 

[RaleighBlue]

Great post.
May I ask you, with the majority of Americans, in fact this would apply to many countries around the world, fed up with politicians and looking for someone not in the system, where does it leave them?

Well.

Revolution does not start at the top. You don't fix our very broken country by putting a lunatic in the highest position of power. You organize, engage, and start locally. You build new parties are the local and state levels. You build for a long term evolution, rather than a 'throw the toys out of the pram' revolution.

You vote in local elections. You damn well vote in mid terms. You move the needle piece by piece.

I don't believe we need Change for Change's sake. I think we are very easily disillusioned with our reality. We need positive change because we need to improve. Changing to something worse just because we don't like what we have is silly.

Basically, I argue for patience and rationalism. Eventually (very slowly), that works - violent and sudden change works too sometimes. But it's far more likely to backfire badly...and we cannot forget the utter devastation that America backfiring could wreak across the planet. For better or worse, we have a general responsibility to try and be a bit level headed regarding who we put in charge of the military.

 

[bring the ghost on]

I should have said that yesterday's event was not a debate. It was a 90 minute farce of abuse. I think he had her on the ropes with more shots. It was meant to be his night of execution but I thought he turned it around well.
He'll still lose by a mile though.

Yeah well I think it started off with both of them slinging as much mud as possible - Trump's attitude to women, Bill Clinton's misdemeanours, the e-mail scandal, etc.

When it started getting into some semi-serious discussion about opinion on proper matters, Trump struggled a lot.

 

[dandydan]

First sentence is pretty funny