Donald Trump for President Thread

[mezzrow]

Trump is Scipio Aemilianus salting the Earth at Carthage

You say that like it's a bad thing! Clinton delenda est...

 

[RaleighBlue]

You say that like it's a bad thing! Clinton delenda est...

Cato was a monster.

 

[mezzrow]

Cato was a monster.

Cato was a man of his time.

 

[RaleighBlue]

Cato was a man of his time.

Cato was a man of 50 years before his time.

He wanted a return to Cincinnatus' Rome and in his yearning for revenge against Hannibal helped pave the way for Caesar's.

 

[tsubaki]

Cato was a man of his time.

both Catos were, but of course they lived in idiot times.

 

[LinekersLegs]

to be fair you are just dismissing any potential chance of what i say. Anything i pose hyothetically would change perception of both potential presidents but you are taking the one subject and dismissing anything i put otherwise on the matter.

so we will leave it as that. Shocking! two people on the internet talk politics and don't agree!

Sorry Ash, I was a bit curt there and for that I apologize.

My frustration is not that you feel the he might be just all hat and no trousers - it is a possibility that all these women are making it up and part of an elaborate smear job, perosnally feel that it unlikely but acknowledge the possibility.

It is that you seemed to be not acknowledging that there were valid reasons why a) these women would not have come forward in the past b) would chose this very time to come forward seperate from any prompting.

And with that I really am out lol

 

[dandydan]

Bill Clinton created a lot of jobs, you know, that time he was president.

So did he get paid comission for it? Because the presidents salary is 400k. Not millions.

 

[tsubaki]

Cato was a man of 50 years before his time.

He wanted a return to Cincinnatus' Rome and in his yearning for revenge against Hannibal helped pave the way for Caesar's.

He really wasn't. He was like one of those family values politicians nowadays, desperately playing a role designed to portray him as something other than someone who had remained in the swamp for nearly seventy years.

 

[dandydan]

Because it's just another mostly untrue statement that the right continue to try to make a bigger deal than it is.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-says-hillary-clinton-viciously-attack/

From polifact this year.
But in the cases of alleged abuse by Broaddrick, Willey and Jones, Hillary Clinton was largely silent. The words she allegedly had with Broaddrick are subject to interpretation. Approving the release of Willey’s letters does qualify as an attack, but using a person’s words against them is a fairly tame tactic. And Clinton did not attack Jones directly.

Overall, we rate the claim Mostly False.

Question everything.
On crime, Trump’s right and Politifact is wrong [UPDATED]
Politifact, a biased liberal operation that purports to fact-check political claims, recently examined Donald Trump’s statement that “crime is rising.” It found the claim to be false, rating it “pants on fire,” the worst rating these liberals dole out.

But Trump, in this instance, is correct. Crime is rising.

How did Politifact err on such a basic question? It erred by looking at no data past 2014. Sean Kennedy at AEI Ideas blows the whistle.

Trump made his statement on June 7, 2016. Thus, his claim that crime is rising can only be fact-checked by analyzing current data. By failing to do so, Politifact confirmed that it is either incompetent, hopelessly biased, or both.

Kennedy did what Politifact was obligated to do before proclaiming Trump a liar. He looked at data that would illuminate whether crime is increasing.

Specifically, Kennedy examined local agency data for 2016 and compared it to 2014 and 2015 data. He found that violent crime in most major US cities, especially homicide, is up substantially since 2014.

 

[RaleighBlue]

He really wasn't. He was like one of those family values politicians nowadays, desperately playing a role designed to portray him as something other than someone who had remained in the swamp for nearly seventy years.

Oh, I realize that. He was the prototype of the hypocritical charlatan preaching about the good ol' days.

However, from a public perception standpoint he aimed to consolidate power for the Senate and weaken popular leaders such as Scipio Africanus. This drove the legions of Africanus deeper into debt to the general rather than the Senate, leading the way to Marius, Sulla, Pompey, and eventually Caesar.

So in pushing for the 'old family values' of Rome, he assisted the eventual breakdown of the Republic.

I realize he was a toad in his personal (and backroom) life and of course did not practice what he preached. I was more referring to his public image and actions being inspired by history but being a leading cause of the Republic running off a cliff.

...We should have a thread about classical history I think

 

[Professor Toffee]

Cato was a man of his time.

Cato Johnston

 

[RaleighBlue]

Question everything.
On crime, Trump’s right and Politifact is wrong [UPDATED]
Politifact, a biased liberal operation that purports to fact-check political claims, recently examined Donald Trump’s statement that “crime is rising.” It found the claim to be false, rating it “pants on fire,” the worst rating these liberals dole out.

But Trump, in this instance, is correct. Crime is rising.

How did Politifact err on such a basic question? It erred by looking at no data past 2014. Sean Kennedy at AEI Ideas blows the whistle.

Trump made his statement on June 7, 2016. Thus, his claim that crime is rising can only be fact-checked by analyzing current data. By failing to do so, Politifact confirmed that it is either incompetent, hopelessly biased, or both.

Kennedy did what Politifact was obligated to do before proclaiming Trump a liar. He looked at data that would illuminate whether crime is increasing.

Specifically, Kennedy examined local agency data for 2016 and compared it to 2014 and 2015 data. He found that violent crime in most major US cities, especially homicide, is up substantially since 2014.

A whistle blown by a 'conservative think tank' employee:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/American_Enterprise_Institute

 

[Caolam]

I'm looking forward to the final debate this weekend, Trump has to produce a game changing performance. Looking forward to him throwing an absolute mentaler.

 

[dandydan]

A whistle blown by a 'conservative think tank' employee:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/American_Enterprise_Institute

It still shows they were wrong, and a quick google leads to other sites doubting their neutrality.

 

[dandydan]

A whistle blown by a 'conservative think tank' employee:
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/American_Enterprise_Institute

And to continue the merry go round.
https://www.activistfacts.com/organizations/12-center-for-media-democracy/

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Left leaning groups are notably absent from negative mention in PR Watch and SourceWatch. While SourceWatch maintains a “tobacco portal” dedicated to exposing links between free-market groups and the tobacco industry, the site neglects to include the thousands of dollars given by the tobacco industry to many labor-affiliated advocacy organizations.

Despite this history of far-left advocacy and funding, media sources often mistakenly cite CMD and its SourceWatch website as independent watchdog organizations.