DanEFC92
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A lot of people.
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Donald Trump for President Thread
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A lot of people.
Glad to know you're a supporter of indiscriminate drone bombings of tenuous intel on possible targets with incalculable innocent deaths
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DanEFC92
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Glad to know you're a supporter of indiscriminate drone bombings of tenuous intel on possible targets with incalculable innocent deaths
You assume too much.
List Obama's positives then.
McBain
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Here the League Table. Doing better than Roberto at the moment wouldn't you say? Top half.
SpurtingLesbian
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Glad to know you're a supporter of indiscriminate drone bombings of tenuous intel on possible targets with incalculable innocent deaths
Yeah, like a US president has never been responsible for the wide-scale slaughter of the innocent before. The Bush's slaughtered millions in Iraq, Obama is very small scale in comparison. You think he'd be doing it at all if he wasn't trying to tidy up all the Terrorist groups his predecessors created which then turned on them?
He's below Regan. Nuff said. Do you really feel the sources used for the ratings should be trusted? PolySc dumb dumbs already buy into the whole system hook line and sinker not to mention it's a flippant non quantitative measure. People's "feelings" about history when a majority of them only saw at most 1/6 of the list with a developed brain.Here the League Table. Doing better than Roberto at the moment wouldn't you say? Top half.
Andrew Johnson has to be further up that list if only for that 3-0 derby!Here the League Table. Doing better than Roberto at the moment wouldn't you say? Top half.
Quite the contrary but does that make it ok? It's not the fact that he's "trying to tidy up" as you say it's that the state department has admitted they have absolutely no idea how many people have been killed in a drone strike and often times they have no idea who the people they are targeting are. They have just previously associated with terrorists or are relatives or some other such connection. You also realize that indiscriminately killing the terrorists surrounding communities just proves the terrorists right when they spread propaganda for recruitment.
You're also way off on your numbers but I hate Bush (less so his Dad than him but...) more than Obama so I won't protest too much.
I'll give it a go, I like him.
- He brought diversity to a notorious old boys club.
- He made more progress on health care for all than any other POTUS
- He ended don't ask don't tell and ushered in gay Marriage.
- His economic policies helped turn the super tanker that is the US economy.
- He has done more for the environment (wind, solar etc.) than any POTUS
- He stood strong against the Kochs and their Keystone XL pipeline.
- He brought troops home and made huge strides in ending an unending conflict.
- He has overseen the legalization of medical and recreational weed in many states.
- He has overseen the almost tripling in value of the Dow.
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- I'll throw in the Iran deal and the normalizing of Cuban relations as important points.
He will leave the country in far healthier shape than when he took over.
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I'm not going to do this all day but here's my thoughts on your responses
- He brought diversity to a notorious old boys club.
> Not of opinion or action so it's a coincidental positive and an accidental trait.
- the action was that of a black man running and winning the office. Took courage and strength. An admirable achievement no matter your opinion of him.
- He made more progress on health care for all than any other POTUS
> Large argument and not one that I feel comfortable saying which side he's going to come down on at this time.
- I don't get this point. He introduced and passed the ACA. It's not perfect but it's further than any other POTUS has gotten. That's a fact.
- He ended don't ask don't tell and ushered in gay Marriage.
> Good positives.
- as in 'these are good positives'? or your only looking for 'good positives'?
- His economic policies helped turn the super tanker that is the US economy.
> Again debatable. Then he's admitted himself that income inequality has grown in his time so be careful what you're actually looking at.
It's only debatable if you think the US economy was in a better place in 2008. If you do, we'll have to agree to disagree.
- He has done more for the environment (wind, solar etc.) than any POTUS
> He's been weak on it, also a straw man argument as he's the one with the most info on the situation and most of the POTUS's didn't have to deal with it.
- Bush and Clinton had to deal with it and passed the book, but yea, he should and could do more.
- He stood strong against the Kochs and their Keystone XL pipeline.
> During major pushback from the constituency. Some of my friends got more incensed by that then anything in half a decade.
- maybe so but he did it.
- He brought troops home and made huge strides in ending an unending conflict.
> Wildly underestimated his own timetable which he ran on and has been promising closing GTMO for so long and failed.
- Hasn't failed on GTMO yet. He could have done better on foreign affairs but overall, in my opinion, he's done pretty well.
- He has overseen the legalization of medical and recreational weed in many states.
> Wrong! This is actually my field (or was for a time) he has taken it upon himself to oppose this and only since the DEA decided to no longer fund its own arm of "legal" marijuana prosecution has the harassment stopped.
- Alright, I'll give you that, not a big deal for me anyhow, my smoking days are long behind me
- He has overseen the almost tripling in value of the Dow.
> Pinning that down to a President as opposed to market forces is strange.
- Only mentioned it as a sign of a strengthening economy. I see him as being cautious of market forces rather than opposed to market forces.
He will leave the country in far healthier shape than when he took over.
Pffttt. - This is the usual reaction of someone who doesn't like Obama. Come on, in general, is the country in better or worse shape than 2008?
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Hillary as a president would be a horror show.
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- the action was that of a black man running and winning the office. Took courage and strength. An admirable achievement no matter your opinion of him.I'm not going to do this all day but here's my thoughts on your responses
- He brought diversity to a notorious old boys club.
> Not of opinion or action so it's a coincidental positive and an accidental trait.
- the action was that of a black man running and winning the office. Took courage and strength. An admirable achievement no matter your opinion of him.
- He made more progress on health care for all than any other POTUS
> Large argument and not one that I feel comfortable saying which side he's going to come down on at this time.
- I don't get this point. He introduced and passed the ACA. It's not perfect but it's further than any other POTUS has gotten. That's a fact.
- He ended don't ask don't tell and ushered in gay Marriage.
> Good positives.
- as in 'these are good positives'? or your only looking for 'good positives'?
- His economic policies helped turn the super tanker that is the US economy.
> Again debatable. Then he's admitted himself that income inequality has grown in his time so be careful what you're actually looking at.
It's only debatable if you think the US economy was in a better place in 2008. If you do, we'll have to agree to disagree.
- He has done more for the environment (wind, solar etc.) than any POTUS
> He's been weak on it, also a straw man argument as he's the one with the most info on the situation and most of the POTUS's didn't have to deal with it.
- Bush and Clinton had to deal with it and passed the book, but yea, he should and could do more.
- He stood strong against the Kochs and their Keystone XL pipeline.
> During major pushback from the constituency. Some of my friends got more incensed by that then anything in half a decade.
- maybe so but he did it.
- He brought troops home and made huge strides in ending an unending conflict.
> Wildly underestimated his own timetable which he ran on and has been promising closing GTMO for so long and failed.
- Hasn't failed on GTMO yet. He could have done better on foreign affairs but overall, in my opinion, he's done pretty well.
- He has overseen the legalization of medical and recreational weed in many states.
> Wrong! This is actually my field (or was for a time) he has taken it upon himself to oppose this and only since the DEA decided to no longer fund its own arm of "legal" marijuana prosecution has the harassment stopped.
- Alright, I'll give you that, not a big deal for me anyhow, my smoking days are long behind me
- He has overseen the almost tripling in value of the Dow.
> Pinning that down to a President as opposed to market forces is strange.
- Only mentioned it as a sign of a strengthening economy. I see him as being cautious of market forces rather than opposed to market forces.
He will leave the country in far healthier shape than when he took over.
Pffttt. - This is the usual reaction of someone who doesn't like Obama. Come on, in general, is the country in better or worse shape than 2008?
>Not really. I don't admire presidents and he was not even close to the first black presidental candidate. I would call what Shirley Chisholm did in 1968 a very courageous act, but not Obama running in 2008.
- I don't get this point. He introduced and passed the ACA. It's not perfect but it's further than any other POTUS has gotten. That's a fact.
>Yes that is a fact but the net impact on health and general welfare is yet to be seen. It will help specific people in the short term but to say it has been a success would be getting very far ahead of yourself.
- as in 'these are good positives'? or your only looking for 'good positives'?
>As in it's a good positive.
-It's only debatable if you think the US economy was in a better place in 2008. If you do, we'll have to agree to disagree.
>I think it's a faulty argument to say that the recession was due to one president and the next one came along and swept it all up. It is simply not that cut and dry. Also you didn't address the fact that even if more value is housed in America in general it is being funneled to certain people (I don't buy trickle down theory by the way).
- Bush and Clinton had to deal with it and passed the book, but yea, he should and could do more.
>So two presidents and they had less science to back up whatever they put forth. Not hard to come down on the side of "right" when the misinformation gets outed and the science becomes unequivocal.
- maybe so but he did it.
>Hardly a strong argument.
- Hasn't failed on GTMO yet. He could have done better on foreign affairs but overall, in my opinion, he's done pretty well.
>Failed massively on his timetable, more or less his entire first and second term it was supposed to be shut down. I will strongly disagree with you on foreign affairs.
- Alright, I'll give you that, not a big deal for me anyhow, my smoking days are long behind me
>Was a big deal for me and my friend group. I have felon friends who did not benefit from his pardons of people in jail due to low level drug related charges, they obviously needed to be pardoned but everyone who went before them was forgotten. You should pick it back up again!
- Only mentioned it as a sign of a strengthening economy. I see him as being cautious of market forces rather than opposed to market forces.
>My point was that it is more or less a useless measure of presidential potency.
- This is the usual reaction of someone who doesn't like Obama. Come on, in general, is the country in better or worse shape than 2008?
>I don't like any politician I have met/seen. The ones that are my local congressional representatives are mostly idiots and corrupt [met many throughout the years] (Chicago machine is hard to oppose though) I just got a postcard from a candidate and this was a photo used
congrats you can own a gun! It may be better but not by much.
You seem to be set in your ways though as am I for the most part so I guess we'll leave it at that or whatever response you wanna give.
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