I don't think it was a Dyche instruction to knock it long today. I think Pickford, Young and Tarkowski realised playing out wasn't working and started knocking it long. Dyche is a Sunday League manager, the ground was quiet at times today and he was shouting "Play... play.. play" when we had it at the back and "heads" whilst pointing at his temples when they had it. He's hopelessly out of his depth in the Premier League of today.
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Dyche and Thelwell
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Hinchcliffe's Corner
Player Valuation: £40m
Here we are, a blame shifting exercise.
Plus the slowest team in the prem bar one or two players ....
MACCA75
Player Valuation: £70m
We have the tightest budget in the league and this summer half of it went on a centre half that Dyche isn’t interested in when we have a paucity of natural width, and the worst full backs in the division.
Last summer, half of the budget went on a young striker that we may not know if he’s good enough for another year at least.
Thelwell can absolutely be booted when Dyche is.
Last summer, half of the budget went on a young striker that we may not know if he’s good enough for another year at least.
Thelwell can absolutely be booted when Dyche is.
TrixyStevens
Player Valuation: £35m
Don’t trust Thelwell with identifying players or recruiting a manager. He can leave with Dyche.
…..Dyche joined Everton in January ‘23, Thelwell Feb ‘22. In an effort to determine if Dyche and Thelwell are ‘on the same page’, I’ve had a quick look at the current squad and player investment since that date. I reckon only the following have been brought in and established themselves as 1st teamer since that date;
Young (free summer ‘23)
Harrison (loan summer ‘23)
Ndiaye (bought summer ‘24)
These are the others brought in during the Dyche/Thelwell regime that are yet to establish themselves in the first team;
Beto (bought Summer ‘23)
Chermiti (bought Summer ‘23)
O’Brien (bought Summer ‘24)
Mangala (loan Summer ‘24)
Iroegbunam (bought Summer ‘24)
Broja (loan Summer ‘24)
Lindstrom (loan Summer ‘24)
Just 3 out of 10 players (in the current squad) brought in during their tenure have established themselves in the team, one of whom is a loanee and the other aged 39 on a free doesn’t suggest they are working together on transfers. I’d suggest 4 others brought in previously by Thelwell can be considered 1st teamers under Dyche;
Tarkowski (free Summer ‘22)
Gueye (re-signed Summer ‘22)
Garner (bought Summer ‘22)
McNeil (bought Summer ‘22)
Probably wasted 30mins of my Sunday morning on this post. Other established first teamers; Pickford, Mykolenko, Branthwaite, Doucoure, DCL pre-date the Thelwell/Dyche regimes, as do Patterson, Coleman and Keane.
Not included players who have come and gone like Onana and Danjuma. Apologies if I’ve missed some obvious ones but I find it all a bit underwhelming.
Young (free summer ‘23)
Harrison (loan summer ‘23)
Ndiaye (bought summer ‘24)
These are the others brought in during the Dyche/Thelwell regime that are yet to establish themselves in the first team;
Beto (bought Summer ‘23)
Chermiti (bought Summer ‘23)
O’Brien (bought Summer ‘24)
Mangala (loan Summer ‘24)
Iroegbunam (bought Summer ‘24)
Broja (loan Summer ‘24)
Lindstrom (loan Summer ‘24)
Just 3 out of 10 players (in the current squad) brought in during their tenure have established themselves in the team, one of whom is a loanee and the other aged 39 on a free doesn’t suggest they are working together on transfers. I’d suggest 4 others brought in previously by Thelwell can be considered 1st teamers under Dyche;
Tarkowski (free Summer ‘22)
Gueye (re-signed Summer ‘22)
Garner (bought Summer ‘22)
McNeil (bought Summer ‘22)
Probably wasted 30mins of my Sunday morning on this post. Other established first teamers; Pickford, Mykolenko, Branthwaite, Doucoure, DCL pre-date the Thelwell/Dyche regimes, as do Patterson, Coleman and Keane.
Not included players who have come and gone like Onana and Danjuma. Apologies if I’ve missed some obvious ones but I find it all a bit underwhelming.
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Hinchcliffe's Corner
Player Valuation: £40m
I mean nobody has any clue whatsoever about who's signed which player, but I think given the circumstances of our financial position and league positions of the last few years I think it's exceptionally hard to find a gem of a player who would join us. I think moving forward we are in a better position not just from new ownership but also past the fair play rules given how many sales we've made. Some of those signings are a bit like Dyche really; just brought in to carry us over till better times.
….i don’t think anybody will argue that it’s more difficult finding quality with a very limited budget but I believe that’s when a DoF/Manager combination really earn their corn. The PL and even Everton are still an attractive proposition and it’s a big old world out there.
There’s really no excuse for buying poor footballers.
The other irony is, I don’t believe we have a single Academy recruit regularly playing (since Gordon left).
To be fair many of Thelwells signings have been second, third and even fourth choices, we have simply been outbid by almost everyone for the previous ones. Broja should not be even in you're list as he has not and might not be ever fit to play. Doucoure should be a bench player. Beto isn't good enough and was imo what choice, made up for him that he scored for his effort and commitment alone. At the time I thought O'Brien was a decent signing, but even that looks a waste of money if the manager just won't play him, even with injuries.
I thought the whole purpose of having a dof is continuity and not merely buying players for a specific manager and their preferred style.
Perhaps, that's thelwells remit. As it should be.
Anyway, dyche's comments seem to me rather heavily interpreted to suit an argument. We all read what we want to see...
Dyche should have the balls to point the finger where it belongs ... The fans. Terrible yesterday. Sack them all.
Perhaps, that's thelwells remit. As it should be.
Anyway, dyche's comments seem to me rather heavily interpreted to suit an argument. We all read what we want to see...
Dyche should have the balls to point the finger where it belongs ... The fans. Terrible yesterday. Sack them all.
I'd have no problem if he got rid of both and we start from scratch , in fact it's my preferred option.
Thelwell is far from perfect but he has had a negative net spend , reduced the wage bill and still given Dyche a slightly better squad than he had before. That merits some acknowledgement. However it's also right to say that the squad lacks balance especially in attack and full back.
I can see why TFG might keep Thelwell on.
However there is no case whatsoever for keeping Dyche on. Everything that he does inhibits this teams ability to play progressive, attractive, attacking football. The likes of him Pulis , Alladyce and Warnock are finished as PL managers , thank god.