ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 2

[Tez]

Just brought up Carragher's spitting at a child in the car next to him in work then.

The mental gymnastics these lot do burns my brain out. "HE DUZ A LOT FOR CHARITEE THO."

Can you imagine them if Rio Ferdinand had done that after Liverpool beat Man Utd? Absolute whoppers to a man.

 

[HongKongToffee]

With the nicest will in the world mate, I remember having very similar conversations with people around Leeds around the same time, who came back with the exact same derisory rhetoric that it could never happen. Likewise with Liverpool around 10 years ago. It happens.

Their turnover was substantially below the 500 million figure (again you rally mist fact check these numbers) and this was largely down to a world record fee from Coutinho. If they continue to sell their best player every year, and continue to have long runs in the CL then the problems will not come no. If that situation changes then it can unravel quite quickly (as it did for Benitez). The debt is already at quite substantial level for Liverpool.

Their owners are shrewd business people but if they get exposed on debt will hike rates.

I am not saying it's imminent I am saying the most likely scenario if they were to fall away currently would be issued around the debt pressing them.

They will be fine for a time, Salah will go for £100+ million and I'd imagine they could fetch £50+ for Mane which will help them out.

As for the other teams. Arsenal are already scaling back. Chelsea are also teetering. United could start to feel the pinch too. Lets be frank, would any of us feel any great sympathy if the 4 teams above ended up collapsing under the debt mountain they've built up obscuring the league? Good riddance to bad rubbish I would say.

Turnover doesn't include transfer fees.....Sigh.

It comes from 3 revenue streams. match day, Tv, commercial.

You tally those 3 revenue streams together and you get the total for the turnover.

Transfer fees goes into the statistic of the turnover called profit, that does not get added onto the turnover results.

Sorry for highlighting certain words, But i find it laughable that a few people here keep thinking transfers get tallied into turnover results.
@Steve0 has claimed it does countless times here.

I just checked the turnover was £465 million and ranked 7th in the world, but it will pass £500 million in the next results as CL revenues have gone up 40% this season so they will hit past the £500 million barrier now they got to the semi finals.

 

[Yarrgh]

One of those diamond-studded butt-plugs.

I was only thinking he actually did have a look of Plug from the Bash Street Kids, but if he had a diamond-studded butt-plug it would actually explain that mildly annoyed look that he always has on his face.

 

[Zartan]

That's because they can't accuse us of killing rival fans, rocking ambulances or wearing T-shirts to support a racist.

No, they just call us bitter, laugh at us for being crap, for booing our own players, the supporter who punched a Lyon player while holding a child, etc. It’s tit for tat nonsense. Dickheads on both sides. Boring as.

 

[PM123]

With the nicest will in the world mate, I remember having very similar conversations with people around Leeds around the same time, who came back with the exact same derisory rhetoric that it could never happen. Likewise with Liverpool around 10 years ago. It happens.

Their turnover was substantially below the 500 million figure (again you rally mist fact check these numbers) and this was largely down to a world record fee from Coutinho. If they continue to sell their best player every year, and continue to have long runs in the CL then the problems will not come no. If that situation changes then it can unravel quite quickly (as it did for Benitez). The debt is already at quite substantial level for Liverpool.

Their owners are shrewd business people but if they get exposed on debt will hike rates.

I am not saying it's imminent I am saying the most likely scenario if they were to fall away currently would be issued around the debt pressing them.

They will be fine for a time, Salah will go for £100+ million and I'd imagine they could fetch £50+ for Mane which will help them out.

As for the other teams. Arsenal are already scaling back. Chelsea are also teetering. United could start to feel the pinch too. Lets be frank, would any of us feel any great sympathy if the 4 teams above ended up collapsing under the debt mountain they've built up obscuring the league? Good riddance to bad rubbish I would say.

Agree with most of that but I was under the impression that transfers are not included in clubs turnover as it's not a revenue stream per se? Haven't checked this out TBH.

 

[Yarrgh]

Turnover doesn't include transfer fees.....Sigh.

It comes from 3 revenue streams. match day, Tv, commercial.

You tally those 3 revenue streams together and you get the total for the turnover.

Transfer fees goes into the statistic of the turnover called profit, that does not get added onto the turnover results.

Sorry for highlighting certain words, But i find it laughable that a few people here keep thinking transfers get tallied into turnover results, @Steve0 has claimed it does countless times here.

What do agent's fees get included into? Because I don't think you included them in your player transfer fees before.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43632830

 

[PITA]

No, they just call us bitter, laugh at us for being crap, for booing our own players, the supporter who punched a Lyon player while holding a child, etc. It’s tit for tat nonsense. Dickheads on both sides. Boring as.

Comparing a bloke hitting a player with 39 deaths. Nice one.
Since you mention that bloke with the child. You would do well to note that he was roundly condemned by Blues. You never see RS fans condemning anyone involved with their club.

 

[Zartan]

Comparing a bloke hitting a player with 39 deaths. Nice one.
Since you mention that bloke with the child. You would do well to note that he was roundly condemned by Blues. You never see RS fans condemning anyone involved with their club.

Wind your neck in, mate. I’m not comparing anything.

 

[radiostar]

Their new kit is class. Third in a row that has been top quality. Meanwhile Umbro continue to pump out comedy kits for us that look like training gear.

It is nice i do say. New Balance seem to be the kitmaker of choice these days, id never have been seen dead wearing NB stuff when i was a kid.

Umbro should be great but they just churn out bland cr*p these days.

 

[HongKongToffee]

What do agent's fees get included into? Because I don't think you included them in your player transfer fees before.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43632830

I'm guessing that is in tranfer fees out.

I'm guessing that agent fee revenue was so high because it was Jorge Mendes % when they bought Fabinho, Monaco and Benfica are both clubs that are full of his clients, but they get peanuts in fees when those players are moved on by Mendes who banks most of the transfer fee disguised as "agent fee".

Andre Gomes fee and whoever buys him will be a nice fat % for Mr Mendes.

I did read a bit back when City Bought Bernardo Silva for a very low £45 million, Monaco never got nothing for him and the whole fee went to Mendes, Silva was only there for a season.

 

[Steve0]

Turnover doesn't include transfer fees.....Sigh.

It comes from 3 revenue streams. match day, Tv, commercial.

You tally those 3 revenue streams together and you get the total for the turnover.

Transfer fees goes into the statistic of the turnover called profit, that does not get added onto the turnover results.

Sorry for highlighting certain words, But i find it laughable that a few people here keep thinking transfers into turnover results, @Steve0 has claimed it does countless times here.

Turnover is the total income of a business in a set time. It's first week A-level accountancy stuff.

Media reports exclude transfers when they report the turnover results so i think this is what has confused you. Don't worry about it.

 

[catcherintherye]

Turnover doesn't include transfer fees.....Sigh.

It comes from 3 revenue streams. match day, Tv, commercial.

You tally those 3 revenue streams together and you get the total for the turnover.

Transfer fees goes into the statistic of the turnover called profit, that does not get added onto the turnover results.

Sorry for highlighting certain words, But i find it laughable that a few people here keep thinking transfers get tallied into turnover results.
@Steve0 has claimed it does countless times here.

I just checked the turnover was £465 million and ranked 7th in the world, but it will pass £500 million in the next results as CL revenues have gone up 40% this season so they will hit past the £500 million barrier now they got to the semi finals.

Ah ok I never knew that. Well either way all of their profit was out down to the Coutinho transfer sale (and would have been a pretty big loss without it) so the model seems to depend upon a big sale to sustain the large transfer outlay (that I imagine they are committed to for the next 2-3 years).

Why do transfers not get factored in, as a general reason? Seems a bit odd to me!

 

[Zartan]

It is nice i do say. New Balance seem to be the kitmaker of choice these days, id never have been seen dead wearing NB stuff when i was a kid.

Umbro should be great but they just churn out bland cr*p these days.

I’ve always liked Umbro and I like our current home kit. Apart from in the 90’s, when footy kits in general tended to be pretty zany, Umbro have always made “plain” aka classic looking stuff.

With regard to their new kit, it is nice but not nearly as nice as the 80’s Umbro kit that it takes inspiration from.

 

[catcherintherye]

I'm guessing that is in tranfer fees out.

I'm guessing that agent fee revenue was so high because it was Jorge Mendes % when they bought Fabinho, Monaco and Benfica are both clubs that are full of his clients, but they get peanuts in fees when those players are moved on by Mendes who banks most of the transfer fee disguised as "agent fee".

Andre Gomes fee and whoever buys him will be a nice fat % for Mr Mendes.

I did read a bit back when City Bought Bernardo Silva for a very low £45 million, Monaco never got nothing for him and the whole fee went to Mendes, Silva was only there for a season.

Is this not often put in the OOC column?

How does that work with an agent? Does he pre-negotiate with a team about how much he takes? Why would Monaco take so little for Bernardo?

 

[HongKongToffee]

Ah ok I never knew that. Well either way all of their profit was out down to the Coutinho transfer sale (and would have been a pretty big loss without it) so the model seems to depend upon a big sale to sustain the large transfer outlay (that I imagine they are committed to for the next 2-3 years).

Why do transfers not get factored in, as a general reason? Seems a bit odd to me!

A Transfer fees doesn't get counted because they are amortisised over a set period, ie paid in installments, players do mostly get sold during those amortisesed periods so it's not valid for using it as a solid revenue stream and better for using in the profit/loss area on a turnover sheet.

It's why Man City (235 million) and PSG (278 million) commercial revenue is so high that ranks these small clubs the 5th and 6th richest clubs in the world currently, in reality without those owners commercial deals they would be ranked 15th-20th in the world.