"If' they and others are up to any performance enhancing therapies it will be something outside of the scope of current testing
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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3
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Isn't there a way to detect a pact with the Devil?
summerisle
The rain, it raineth every day
Child abuse ! Nice for the dad to remain anonymous, whilst naming his kid. There can't be that many kids called Toby in Birkdale.
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Sefton Council have been slammed by a Southport father after his Everton supporting son was forced to sing You’ll Never Walk Alone in class. The Birkdale father, who did not want to be named, has written a furious letter to Sefton chief executive Dwayne Johnson to complain after his son Toby was...
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JelavicBrate2
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The first one of the other teams being rubbish is the most likely cause of their success. But I still can't explain how better teams than them, who were packed with quality from front to back didn't destroy teams. If VVD and Mane got injured would they be as great as they are are now? I doubt it. Also you can't deny they have been incredibly lucky this season. Ings missing a sitter, goalies dropping the ball twice in 1 week , dodgy penalty against Leicester and a foul in the build up to their second goal against Chelsea. I think all the decisions they've got over the years and luck makes you think Everton fans did something wrong in a previous life. Couldn't make it up, for us to lose, they win in the 95th minute and City lose in 1 weekend. When you see Clattenburg about to give Hibbert and yellow, only for Gerrard to walk past and he suddenly gives him a red. Then for Kuyt not to be sent off for a waist high launching karate kick, towards Phil Neville. Then for Carragher to assault Lescott in the penalty box and not get a penalty you start to believe in conspiracy theories.
Disgruntledgoat
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As I say, testing has moved on from the binary pass/fail and is now based on the relationship between blood markers. The testers don't need to know the product used, only that the athlete's blood is doing stuff that can't be explained by medical statistics as natural.
I have no problem believing there is doping in football. I have a problem believing it is a deciding factor in games for a number of reasons... Firstly, not every one responds equally to PEDs, for example if your natural red blood cell count is already in the 43-45% bracket, you aren't going to gain as much as somebody in the 40%-42% bracket from jacking it up. In team sports, this tends to even out the effect of blood vector doping.
Secondly, the manner of detection now means that regular high doses are simply not an option any more. You will be busted in months. Thus, if you want to do it you are relying on microdosing which isn't going to give you anything like the effects.
Finally, if one Premier League team are doing it... They are definitely all doing it to some degree. Do you believe that literally every single player, coach, doctor, trainer etc would have shut up about it forever and ever and nothing would have leaked out? Teams would have to be insane to orchestrate it themselves (as Juve did in the 90s). I believe any players doping are doing it on a freelance basis.
This of course still leaves scope for teams to indulge in the gray areas of what is legal and what isn't. All elite sports do this. My attitude is basically, if it isnt on the list, it isn't doping.
Thats a cop out and a loop hole that dopers have used for years. Microdosing is very effective when done correctly. Not if you have a race you want to win in two weeks time but to help you sustain a raised level of performance to increase your capacity to train or build muscle over a period of time. If it didnt work it would be done.
Most athletes, not just footballers, have no idea what supplements they take. The whistle blowers come from inside the labs and usually are not well received. Poor auld Grigory Rodchenkov can testify to that.
Disgruntledgoat
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I'm not arguing there is no doping in elite sport. I think I have been very clear in that.
I also don't disagree that microdosing is effective. It's obviously just not as effective as regular dosing and the level at which you would be dosing to get around the bio passport is for sure not enormously effective.
Now, what I would point to is autologous transfusions. I think those are the one, effective method of blood vector doping that you can still get away with. But I made that point in an earlier post also.
As to athletes not knowing what supplements they take... more fool them. Strict liability makes that their problem not their team's or their doctors'. The better prepared teams will be QCing supplements before handing them out, meaning there is no risk of contamination, but I like to imagine if somebody came and said "take this" or came at me with a syringe, I would at least ask what it was.
Blueclouds
Player Valuation: £35m
Its weird their best players dont get injured, could be down to good conditioning training.
They have the lead as they have a few world class players in their peak.
City have had major injuries at the back but could have been unavoidable if they bought a CB and a proper left back.
Plus the Var been very good for them this season.
They have the lead as they have a few world class players in their peak.
City have had major injuries at the back but could have been unavoidable if they bought a CB and a proper left back.
Plus the Var been very good for them this season.
The injury thing is definitely luck more than anything sinister to me. It’s not that they’ve not had any injuries, it’s just that they’ve not been to their biggest most important players.
Surprised losing the goalie hasn’t hurt them, but they often seem to be missing on if their centre halves - just not the best and most important one.
They’ve had lots of injuries to midfielders, but all of their midfielders are practically the same, so it’s not noticeable.
Where they’ve been lucky is the front three. They’ve all - by and large - been fit for the last 3 years.
Surprised losing the goalie hasn’t hurt them, but they often seem to be missing on if their centre halves - just not the best and most important one.
They’ve had lots of injuries to midfielders, but all of their midfielders are practically the same, so it’s not noticeable.
Where they’ve been lucky is the front three. They’ve all - by and large - been fit for the last 3 years.
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