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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

City’s excuses were credible last season. Kompany left and wasn’t replaced, Laporte got an injury so they had no credible CB pairing. Aguero was injured for long periods, Sane was crocked, and Silva declined hugely. They also had the realisation that they weren’t winning the league as early as November and that fixed game at Anfield and focussed on the CL. Despite that they still posted a low 80s points tally. They essentially lost 4 of their best players and had the refs against them all season.

Apart from Van Dijk and Gomez, Liverpool haven’t lost any of their players from last season. Indeed they’ve actually strengthened by getting Thiago Minamino Jota and Tsimikas in with Oxlade Chamberlain returning and losing no key players.

It’s effectively the same team just missing two centrebacks. They’ve not even been that bad defensively though, and the loss of two players to injury doesn’t explain how a team can go from having what looks like the best player in the world in every position to Alexander Arnold looking like he’s won a competition to play football and Firmino looking like a bum. This is not a natural decline in a team, they’re looking at dropping from almost 100 points pace to mid 70s, freakishly mirroring their sudden rapid improvement 2 seasons ago. Which is convenient seeing as 2 seasons is the generally accepted limit that a team can supplement for before long term damage to players.

People will always deny it and it will never be proven that they doped but this has always been a bang average Liverpool team without any of the ingredients to win a league.

World class keeper - fair enough they had this

Defence - They had a kid at RB, a bloke from Southampton next to another kid at CB, and a player from Hull at left back,

Midfield - none of their midfielders score more than about 3 a season, none would be at the top of the assists charts

Striker - no natural number 9 you can bank on for 20 a season

You then looked at their squad depth and they had no decent cover for any single position on the pitch except perhaps midfield.

That is never a title winning formula even if the target was low 80s. It was never ever close to a formula for getting 90 plus points, but it was certainly nowhere near a set up that could go to almost 100 points for two seasons in a row! They were battering everyone home and away barely conceding a shot on target. The consistency of performances for two seasons was identical every single week from every single player. No one had a bad game, no one had injuries, no one got tired, no one player dropped their level ever. It was only an extremely fortuitous performance by Atletico, with some world class keeping by Oblak, and a howler by Adrian, that cost them winning two CLs in a row and a third final in three seasons.

They doped, it’s as clear as day, this team was a Frankenstein monster, James Milner trampling all over the likes of Kante and De Bruyne, their B team thrashing Barca 4-0 despite playing a few days earlier when Barca had rested. A sudden shoot up in performance levels to a level they’d never been at and now it’s all coming crashing back down.

Even before his injury Van Dijk was all over the shop. Patrick Balford embarassed him on opening day and then Villa made him look like a clown. Alexander Arnold has gone from being the best player in the world to arguably the weakest right back in the top 6. Their midfield now looks like the collection of average cloggers it is struggling to create. The front three have gone from the world’s best forward players to struggling to hit a barn door. Players don’t just all improve at the same time, and all decline at the same time.

They doped, and the league didn’t want City dominance so skewed VAR in their favour (in much the same way it a probably in United’s favour now). That is the story of the 2019/20 season. If people honestly believe that a bit of novel kick and rush tactics is enough to bypass all the limitations of that squad for 2 seasons in a way no other team in history has managed then that’s up to them but I’ve never seen anything like this team anywhere else and the rise and falls in form are comeltlelly an utterly unnatural .

Kudos for the detail here; it's great.

Simple question though.... How do Liverpool buy and sell (in particular) players and staff, including medical ones & manage to keep this confidential? You would have players failing medicals after samples, or simpling flagging in-terms of endurance etc.

On medical teams - they seems to be able to chop and change that quite frequently without rustling feathers; again not sure how this happens if one club is running a doping program in isolation.
 

Public humiliation of Arnold for having a bad game. Not the hugs and bum squeeze he's used too. Fragile,at best, its not going to help him.
He needs it though, TAA has been found out big time this season. He is great going forward but he just cannot defend whatsoever, last night being a classic example of it. Teams are now targeting them down that side (like they do with us tbf) because they know he is often caught up the field and is leaving huge gaps and of course they don't have St Virgil to cover for him at the moment. Klopp has some decisions to make imo as it means they are always going to be open to the counter attack and balls in behind on that side but TAA is clearly a decent player going forward.
 
Most of the RS squad had Covid which has effected them and why there not playing well. They might have lost the hunger, also happens, there running out of gas with the amount of games they played, there not getting as many dodgy ref decisions as normal.
Klopp is a phoney and although he comes across as a nice guy(when not on the side line) I imagine he’s isnt.
There clearly a problem with Salah and Mane, they really don’t like each other.
Could they be doping, well before West Brom they only lost 5 out of 90 games and won most of them(stat on sky)
 

City’s excuses were credible last season. Kompany left and wasn’t replaced, Laporte got an injury so they had no credible CB pairing. Aguero was injured for long periods, Sane was crocked, and Silva declined hugely. They also had the realisation that they weren’t winning the league as early as November and that fixed game at Anfield and focussed on the CL. Despite that they still posted a low 80s points tally. They essentially lost 4 of their best players and had the refs against them all season.

Apart from Van Dijk and Gomez, Liverpool haven’t lost any of their players from last season. Indeed they’ve actually strengthened by getting Thiago Minamino Jota and Tsimikas in with Oxlade Chamberlain returning and losing no key players.

It’s effectively the same team just missing two centrebacks. They’ve not even been that bad defensively though, and the loss of two players to injury doesn’t explain how a team can go from having what looks like the best player in the world in every position to Alexander Arnold looking like he’s won a competition to play football and Firmino looking like a bum. This is not a natural decline in a team, they’re looking at dropping from almost 100 points pace to mid 70s, freakishly mirroring their sudden rapid improvement 2 seasons ago. Which is convenient seeing as 2 seasons is the generally accepted limit that a team can supplement for before long term damage to players.

People will always deny it and it will never be proven that they doped but this has always been a bang average Liverpool team without any of the ingredients to win a league.

World class keeper - fair enough they had this

Defence - They had a kid at RB, a bloke from Southampton next to another kid at CB, and a player from Hull at left back,

Midfield - none of their midfielders score more than about 3 a season, none would be at the top of the assists charts

Striker - no natural number 9 you can bank on for 20 a season

You then looked at their squad depth and they had no decent cover for any single position on the pitch except perhaps midfield.

That is never a title winning formula even if the target was low 80s. It was never ever close to a formula for getting 90 plus points, but it was certainly nowhere near a set up that could go to almost 100 points for two seasons in a row! They were battering everyone home and away barely conceding a shot on target. The consistency of performances for two seasons was identical every single week from every single player. No one had a bad game, no one had injuries, no one got tired, no one player dropped their level ever. It was only an extremely fortuitous performance by Atletico, with some world class keeping by Oblak, and a howler by Adrian, that cost them winning two CLs in a row and a third final in three seasons.

They doped, it’s as clear as day, this team was a Frankenstein monster, James Milner trampling all over the likes of Kante and De Bruyne, their B team thrashing Barca 4-0 despite playing a few days earlier when Barca had rested. A sudden shoot up in performance levels to a level they’d never been at and now it’s all coming crashing back down.

Even before his injury Van Dijk was all over the shop. Patrick Balford embarassed him on opening day and then Villa made him look like a clown. Alexander Arnold has gone from being the best player in the world to arguably the weakest right back in the top 6. Their midfield now looks like the collection of average cloggers it is struggling to create. The front three have gone from the world’s best forward players to struggling to hit a barn door. Players don’t just all improve at the same time, and all decline at the same time.

They doped, and the league didn’t want City dominance so skewed VAR in their favour (in much the same way it a probably in United’s favour now). That is the story of the 2019/20 season. If people honestly believe that a bit of novel kick and rush tactics is enough to bypass all the limitations of that squad for 2 seasons in a way no other team in history has managed then that’s up to them but I’ve never seen anything like this team anywhere else and the rise and falls in form are comeltlelly an utterly unnatural .
As you said, you cant go from where they were to what they became in 12 months. 2017/18 season to the 2018/19 season they increased their tally by 22 points....and sustained it the following season! It's an unlikely leap without extra help. This season they'll be down to the mid-to-high 70 point level.

Liverpool last 4 seasons under Klopp:


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Did EXACTLY the same at Dortmund for two seasons before falling away again.


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His defence of Lance Armstrong was telling. I think he sees doping as just one of those things that competitive sport encourages and he accepts the logic of it.
 

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Same as last season, funny how people forget how mid table liverpool looked for the first half of the season and city was refereed into oblivion, apart from man u I dont think there was a team that didn't have issues with liverpool's refs, I know we should of had 2 penalties and robertson and trent should of seen red , that game was classed as well refereed.
As for man u they decent on a good day.
Last seasons Anfield derby still riles me to this day. Alexander did a bad foul, a stamp and a deliberate handball and got 1 yellow card. Just wasn’t mentioned on the commentary. I know we were in the process of sacking Silva but should definitely have made more of it.
 
As you said, you cant go from where they were to what they became in 12 months. 2017/18 season to the 2018/19 season they increased their tally by 22 points....and sustained it the following season! It's an unlikely leap without extra help.

Two words.....

Loris Karius

The shift in Goalkeepers accounts for at a minimum 15 of those points & makes it perfectly understandable. Biggest opportunity we have as well
 

City’s excuses were credible last season. Kompany left and wasn’t replaced, Laporte got an injury so they had no credible CB pairing. Aguero was injured for long periods, Sane was crocked, and Silva declined hugely. They also had the realisation that they weren’t winning the league as early as November and that fixed game at Anfield and focussed on the CL. Despite that they still posted a low 80s points tally. They essentially lost 4 of their best players and had the refs against them all season.

Apart from Van Dijk and Gomez, Liverpool haven’t lost any of their players from last season. Indeed they’ve actually strengthened by getting Thiago Minamino Jota and Tsimikas in with Oxlade Chamberlain returning and losing no key players.

It’s effectively the same team just missing two centrebacks. They’ve not even been that bad defensively though, and the loss of two players to injury doesn’t explain how a team can go from having what looks like the best player in the world in every position to Alexander Arnold looking like he’s won a competition to play football and Firmino looking like a bum. This is not a natural decline in a team, they’re looking at dropping from almost 100 points pace to mid 70s, freakishly mirroring their sudden rapid improvement 2 seasons ago. Which is convenient seeing as 2 seasons is the generally accepted limit that a team can supplement for before long term damage to players.

People will always deny it and it will never be proven that they doped but this has always been a bang average Liverpool team without any of the ingredients to win a league.

World class keeper - fair enough they had this

Defence - They had a kid at RB, a bloke from Southampton next to another kid at CB, and a player from Hull at left back,

Midfield - none of their midfielders score more than about 3 a season, none would be at the top of the assists charts

Striker - no natural number 9 you can bank on for 20 a season

You then looked at their squad depth and they had no decent cover for any single position on the pitch except perhaps midfield.

That is never a title winning formula even if the target was low 80s. It was never ever close to a formula for getting 90 plus points, but it was certainly nowhere near a set up that could go to almost 100 points for two seasons in a row! They were battering everyone home and away barely conceding a shot on target. The consistency of performances for two seasons was identical every single week from every single player. No one had a bad game, no one had injuries, no one got tired, no one player dropped their level ever. It was only an extremely fortuitous performance by Atletico, with some world class keeping by Oblak, and a howler by Adrian, that cost them winning two CLs in a row and a third final in three seasons.

They doped, it’s as clear as day, this team was a Frankenstein monster, James Milner trampling all over the likes of Kante and De Bruyne, their B team thrashing Barca 4-0 despite playing a few days earlier when Barca had rested. A sudden shoot up in performance levels to a level they’d never been at and now it’s all coming crashing back down.

Even before his injury Van Dijk was all over the shop. Patrick Balford embarassed him on opening day and then Villa made him look like a clown. Alexander Arnold has gone from being the best player in the world to arguably the weakest right back in the top 6. Their midfield now looks like the collection of average cloggers it is struggling to create. The front three have gone from the world’s best forward players to struggling to hit a barn door. Players don’t just all improve at the same time, and all decline at the same time.

They doped, and the league didn’t want City dominance so skewed VAR in their favour (in much the same way it a probably in United’s favour now). That is the story of the 2019/20 season. If people honestly believe that a bit of novel kick and rush tactics is enough to bypass all the limitations of that squad for 2 seasons in a way no other team in history has managed then that’s up to them but I’ve never seen anything like this team anywhere else and the rise and falls in form are comeltlelly an utterly unnatural .
You should write books. And anti vac Facebook posts.
I think they get the decisions going their way, i think they are over represented in the media.
I don’t think their is a big conspiracy.
TAA has dropped form but he is still so young. Liverpool for all their being crap this season are still sitting pretty in the league.
 
You should write books. And anti vac Facebook posts.
I think they get the decisions going their way, i think they are over represented in the media.
I don’t think their is a big conspiracy.
TAA has dropped form but he is still so young. Liverpool for all their being crap this season are still sitting pretty in the league.

TAA has dropped form?!

This was a lad that no one had heard of. He wasn’t a Gerrard, or a Rooney that had rumours coming out about them from about 14. Wasn’t even a Barkley. Even Jay Spearing and Connor Coady had more hype about them. There was absolutely nothing. He was playing in reserve games that Tom Davies and Kieran Dowell were dominating.

Next minute he comes into the team and not only is he instantly a premier league right back, he instantly became probably the best right back in the world! How do you have a player like this in the academy yet no one had even noticed him before Klopp got there?

How is that same player, now looking as though he doesn’t know where to stand on the football pitch? There’s a loss in form but you don’t go from nothing to that high and then end up looking rubbish again.
 

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