Yarrgh
Player Valuation: £70m
Where there's smoke, there's a defective turboinhaler.
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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3
- Thread starter cronullasharks
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What is a turbo inhaler? I take seretide as a twice daily preventative against asthma, is this stuff stronger than that?
There’s a possibility that they could be deliberately signing asthmatic players. They make some really weird signings, Wijnaldum, Oxlade-Chamberlain, even the likes of Jota and Robertson, just really bang average players who turn into world beaters as soon as they set foot through their doors. I’m not sure they’re falsely declaring players asthmatic, and it might actually be part of their recruitment strategy to find players that are. I reckon they’ll have covered all bases with something as serious as this.
Hahahahahaha hi mate x
It's basically what type of steroid they're giving them and how much of it. You can get asthma treatment that's basically quite high dose anabolic steroids which basically gets you wired (taken in pill form, not inhaler).
Alanbileysfeathercut
Player Valuation: £70m
Boris gone.
#YMCA
#YMCA
turner
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A turbohaler is just a dry powder inhaler activated by patient breath, rather than a standard metered dose inhaler which uses a propellant
Yarrgh
Player Valuation: £70m
That's highly unlikely purely on a statistical basis. 12% of the population suffer from asthma. If we take that figure and say it's the same all across football, then the pool of players they have to pick from is incredibly small. I'm not saying you couldn't field a genuine asthma 11, but I suspect the quality of the players would be nowhere near what is required for finishing second every year.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
Ok, re the doping: this is what they're up to (From a This Is Anfield article two days ago).
"This year it seems as though Liverpool are taking a slightly different approach, with the introduction of fractional exhaled nitric oxide (FeNO) testing using analysis technology from NIOX.
FeNO testing is typically used in diagnosing asthma, with NIOX describing the technology as “the most convenient biomarker of airway inflammation.”
Players were strapped with electrodes on their chest, pulse oximeters on their feet and wrists and an exercise mask to monitor their breathing. They were then tasked with running at intervals on a specialist treadmill, with readings conducted before blood tests and heart-rate monitors were used to measure lactic acid and cardiopulmonary output.
As explained by LoveMedical: “CPET found favour in the sports and fitness arena, in particular as a tool to determine fitness by assessing the volume of oxygen output of a person under exercise.”
www.thisisanfield.com
What they appear to be doing is carrying out tests for cardio fitness levels and the ability of the body to increase oxygen output. But the (happy) byproduct of this is to diagnose players with an asthma condition. Science is being used, in other words, to smuggle in asthmatic drugs somewhere along the line to players - because all players will fall spmewhere on the scale of an asthmatic under conditions where the body is put under severe pressure. This will add more ammunition to the consensus that Liverpool FC have more asthmatics than other clubs - by explaining WHY they have more. They look very deeply for it, in short.
Here's the NHS description of what the FeNo testing does and what it can be used to detemine and prescribe:
They are basically hiding this in plain sight now.
"This year it seems as though Liverpool are taking a slightly different approach, with the introduction of fractional exhaled nitric oxide (FeNO) testing using analysis technology from NIOX.
FeNO testing is typically used in diagnosing asthma, with NIOX describing the technology as “the most convenient biomarker of airway inflammation.”
Players were strapped with electrodes on their chest, pulse oximeters on their feet and wrists and an exercise mask to monitor their breathing. They were then tasked with running at intervals on a specialist treadmill, with readings conducted before blood tests and heart-rate monitors were used to measure lactic acid and cardiopulmonary output.
As explained by LoveMedical: “CPET found favour in the sports and fitness arena, in particular as a tool to determine fitness by assessing the volume of oxygen output of a person under exercise.”
Why Liverpool have paired lactate test with asthma diagnosis
A new look to the pre-season fitness check.
www.thisisanfield.com
What they appear to be doing is carrying out tests for cardio fitness levels and the ability of the body to increase oxygen output. But the (happy) byproduct of this is to diagnose players with an asthma condition. Science is being used, in other words, to smuggle in asthmatic drugs somewhere along the line to players - because all players will fall spmewhere on the scale of an asthmatic under conditions where the body is put under severe pressure. This will add more ammunition to the consensus that Liverpool FC have more asthmatics than other clubs - by explaining WHY they have more. They look very deeply for it, in short.
Here's the NHS description of what the FeNo testing does and what it can be used to detemine and prescribe:
Fractional Exhaled Nitric Oxide (FeNO)
What is it?
FeNO devices are a novel medical technology used to aid in the diagnosis of asthma. FeNO devices measure fractional exhaled nitric oxide in the breath of patients. Nitric oxide is a biomarker for asthma which provides an indication of the level of inflammation in the lungs. FeNO testing produces a FeNO score which gives a value to the level of inflammation and can therefore be used to aid in the diagnosis of asthma. Although FeNO is primarily a diagnostic tool, it has an additional use in the ongoing monitoring of chronic asthma.They are basically hiding this in plain sight now.
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Equally, how would they know who is asthmatic and who isn't asthmatic when this information is by no means in the public domain?
Let's say Wijnaldum was recruited as a recognised asthmatic - why would he not continue his performance-enhancing course of medicine now he's at PSG (and let's face it, he's being kept out of the side by Ander Herrera)?
derek duvall
Player Valuation: £5m
Doping cheats
Haha, how did I know RedSince86 would like this post? ?
Saint Domingo
Player Valuation: £90m
A big one for me is the wild swing in performances. To go from the levels they were setting in 18/19 19/20 to how abysmal they were in 20/21 to then regain those levels last season is just unheard of in any normal sporting capacity. They had a couple of injuries at CB and no crowds but fundamentally it was the same team and same manager, sure there might be some points variation but not a 20 point plus swing and losing 6 games at home in a row after being unbeaten the 4 seasons around it.
Then you have Coutinho Can Wijnaldum Lallana Lovren have all departed and their form has absolutely fallen off a cliff. Coutinho is on Villa’s bench some games, when he left they were saying that Messi would have to move position that’s how good he was. Suarez went to Barca and got even better, that’s genuine world class, these doped up mugs have gone elsewhere and fallen flat on their face.
He’s got form for that though. Look at his Dortmund team. A few of the genuine world class talents are still performing well Lewandowski, Gundogan, Hummels, but what happened to the careers of Sahin, Subotic, Goetze, Kagawa, GrossKreutz, Sokratis, Santana, Barrios etc. Somd of them dropped from CL final standard to playing third division in a few seasons.
That young team at Dortmund should have gone on to make up the starting line ups of Madrid, Barca and Bayern for years but instead most of them fell right off form wise.
If they sold Henderson Milner Oxlade Chamberlain Gomez Firmino Jota Matip Jones right now to another club they’d be playing at a lower level prem team within a season, no question in my mind.
Class is permanent in football unless you’ve played for Klopp seemingly.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
As you've said before: it will be very interesting now to see how Mane fairs at Bayern Munich.
That level of player should see no dramatic drop off in form. If he struggles next season then that will add yet more grist to the mill.
I am 100% sure that in a few years time Klopp will be vilified when all this comes out. By then, the Liverpool roadshow will have moved on though and it'll be a case of "Jurgen who?"