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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3
- Thread starter cronullasharks
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Diogenes the Cynic
Player Valuation: £40m
Pretty good thanks C Man.
Sun is shining and the people who live across the street are having a blazing row in the middle of the road.
She called him several names and he called her a bully. Then she asked him if he was a big man. He said she should know because she's a big woman. Then she called him a bully.
This is wonderful entertainment.
carlos21
KING OF REP
That's strange like what for tea tonight that's good to hear like.
Diogenes the Cynic
Player Valuation: £40m
I was hungover and ate a whole packet of sausages for dinner I can't face food right now lol.
carlos21
KING OF REP
You silly boy.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52199641
Can't quite work out who BBC Sport are popcorning here, but after reading the standard revisionism in the article points to the authors allegiance me thinks.
"Less than 100 miles and a fortnight away from their Rotterdam triumph, 39 people died and 600 were injured when fans were crushed against a wall that then collapsed during the European Cup final between Liverpool and Juventus, after crowd trouble culminated in a surge by Liverpool supporters towards the Italian team's fans."
Can't quite work out who BBC Sport are popcorning here, but after reading the standard revisionism in the article points to the authors allegiance me thinks.
"Less than 100 miles and a fortnight away from their Rotterdam triumph, 39 people died and 600 were injured when fans were crushed against a wall that then collapsed during the European Cup final between Liverpool and Juventus, after crowd trouble culminated in a surge by Liverpool supporters towards the Italian team's fans."
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
I don't know if anyone has seen this article;
www.dailymail.co.uk
Essentially stating one club is losing 9m per week (around £470 per year, or 540 euro's a year). Comment one from a Kopite is it must be us who rent the training ground from the council (we don't). They talk about us in a manner that is 20 years out of date and it's quite sweet.
Anyway my initial thoughts on reading this were that it will be bad for everyone, as if 1 team is losing that level of money they are all probably losing a lot. I thought 5 teams would have that sort of turnover. On further inspection only 3 teams make upwards of 9 million a year or anything close (Spurs will be now much lower this season without a CL run) Chelsea may be a 4th.
We don't make anything close to £9m a week, so it's funny how some suggested it was us. 3 teams do. Manchester United, Liverpool and City. They are the only 3 teams it could feasible be.
To narrow it down further you would surely ask, which club has acted in a pretty panicked way early into this crisis, maybe trying to get the government to pay their staffs costs? 1 team in the top 5 (Chelsea, Arsenal, United, City & Liverpool) turnover wise have chosen to furlough staff.
I saw it initially in the Daily Star, but it apparently broke in the Mirror which have good sources at Liverpool. Manchester United have recently had an article in the Times saying they are fine financially and will spend big (which I think is probably untrue but hard to imagine the are briefing in such a way). Maybe Manchester City are losing £9 million per week and want to report it? Possibly.
The likeliest contender (by some distance) though would seem to be Liverpool. If it is them it's absolutely disastrous news. It would imply they are losing almost all of the sponsorship moneys for the duration of this crisis. It would suggest the contracts have enormous loopholes if they are already being enacted this early into the crisis. I would also deduce, it's highly unlikely that if football goes back behind closed doors, those sponsorships would go back to anything near full value either. Some may just terminate, others may well settle at 50%-60% of the initial value.
They are still paying back for that eyesore of a stand aren't they as well?
Thats really serious though. For whoever it is. Best case scenario is we start against part way through June meaning just over 3 months of this level of money lost. Well over £100m lost and probably pushing £150m. If we have to wait until August and the system is voided you could be pushing that number north of £200million.
The £100m loan makes sense with this too. Spiralling wage costs and overall costs probably running at about 80% of turnover means you would need £100m loan to cover the costs from 120m lost.
For whoever that club is though, even in the best case scenario it is a disaster. Any emergency loan, at this stage is going to be well above what the standard rate would be. (Banks are having to prioritise loans to business, so what liquidity they have is not going to football clubs). To enter a negotiation now, you may be looking at 15% to get them to arrange a short term agreement, maybe even north of that. Thats £15-£20 in interest you are paying back each year.
For whoever that club is, best case scenario is they get the loan, the fees aren't too crazy and neither is the interest (working to the above numbers) and it's belt tightening exercise. Worst case scenario they have to start panic selling to cover the money back, either as collateral, or because their owners can't have that much debt being piled on the hundreds of millions outstanding.
Buckle yourselves in lads, I strongly suspect they are going to start trying to push Mane out in desperation for some cash (if it's them). They hawked him around last summer of £150m and nobody even consider it. Real Madrid wouldn't pay half that. They are in serious financial trouble now as well. I think a day of reckoning is coming.
Coronavirus causing one Premier League club 'to lose £9m-a-week'
Top-flight clubs are facing huge losses as they are still having to pay out their biggest costs, such as wages, without receiving any income. One Premier League club is reportedly losing '£9m a week'.
Essentially stating one club is losing 9m per week (around £470 per year, or 540 euro's a year). Comment one from a Kopite is it must be us who rent the training ground from the council (we don't). They talk about us in a manner that is 20 years out of date and it's quite sweet.
Anyway my initial thoughts on reading this were that it will be bad for everyone, as if 1 team is losing that level of money they are all probably losing a lot. I thought 5 teams would have that sort of turnover. On further inspection only 3 teams make upwards of 9 million a year or anything close (Spurs will be now much lower this season without a CL run) Chelsea may be a 4th.
We don't make anything close to £9m a week, so it's funny how some suggested it was us. 3 teams do. Manchester United, Liverpool and City. They are the only 3 teams it could feasible be.
To narrow it down further you would surely ask, which club has acted in a pretty panicked way early into this crisis, maybe trying to get the government to pay their staffs costs? 1 team in the top 5 (Chelsea, Arsenal, United, City & Liverpool) turnover wise have chosen to furlough staff.
I saw it initially in the Daily Star, but it apparently broke in the Mirror which have good sources at Liverpool. Manchester United have recently had an article in the Times saying they are fine financially and will spend big (which I think is probably untrue but hard to imagine the are briefing in such a way). Maybe Manchester City are losing £9 million per week and want to report it? Possibly.
The likeliest contender (by some distance) though would seem to be Liverpool. If it is them it's absolutely disastrous news. It would imply they are losing almost all of the sponsorship moneys for the duration of this crisis. It would suggest the contracts have enormous loopholes if they are already being enacted this early into the crisis. I would also deduce, it's highly unlikely that if football goes back behind closed doors, those sponsorships would go back to anything near full value either. Some may just terminate, others may well settle at 50%-60% of the initial value.
They are still paying back for that eyesore of a stand aren't they as well?
Thats really serious though. For whoever it is. Best case scenario is we start against part way through June meaning just over 3 months of this level of money lost. Well over £100m lost and probably pushing £150m. If we have to wait until August and the system is voided you could be pushing that number north of £200million.
The £100m loan makes sense with this too. Spiralling wage costs and overall costs probably running at about 80% of turnover means you would need £100m loan to cover the costs from 120m lost.
For whoever that club is though, even in the best case scenario it is a disaster. Any emergency loan, at this stage is going to be well above what the standard rate would be. (Banks are having to prioritise loans to business, so what liquidity they have is not going to football clubs). To enter a negotiation now, you may be looking at 15% to get them to arrange a short term agreement, maybe even north of that. Thats £15-£20 in interest you are paying back each year.
For whoever that club is, best case scenario is they get the loan, the fees aren't too crazy and neither is the interest (working to the above numbers) and it's belt tightening exercise. Worst case scenario they have to start panic selling to cover the money back, either as collateral, or because their owners can't have that much debt being piled on the hundreds of millions outstanding.
Buckle yourselves in lads, I strongly suspect they are going to start trying to push Mane out in desperation for some cash (if it's them). They hawked him around last summer of £150m and nobody even consider it. Real Madrid wouldn't pay half that. They are in serious financial trouble now as well. I think a day of reckoning is coming.
I think I may be able to cope with them being awarded an asterisk title if it also meant they went into administration tooI don't know if anyone has seen this article;
Coronavirus causing one Premier League club 'to lose £9m-a-week'
Top-flight clubs are facing huge losses as they are still having to pay out their biggest costs, such as wages, without receiving any income. One Premier League club is reportedly losing '£9m a week'.
Essentially stating one club is losing 9m per week (around £470 per year, or 540 euro's a year). Comment one from a Kopite is it must be us who rent the training ground from the council (we don't). They talk about us in a manner that is 20 years out of date and it's quite sweet.
Anyway my initial thoughts on reading this were that it will be bad for everyone, as if 1 team is losing that level of money they are all probably losing a lot. I thought 5 teams would have that sort of turnover. On further inspection only 3 teams make upwards of 9 million a year or anything close (Spurs will be now much lower this season without a CL run) Chelsea may be a 4th.
We don't make anything close to £9m a week, so it's funny how some suggested it was us. 3 teams do. Manchester United, Liverpool and City. They are the only 3 teams it could feasible be.
To narrow it down further you would surely ask, which club has acted in a pretty panicked way early into this crisis, maybe trying to get the government to pay their staffs costs? 1 team in the top 5 (Chelsea, Arsenal, United, City & Liverpool) turnover wise have chosen to furlough staff.
I saw it initially in the Daily Star, but it apparently broke in the Mirror which have good sources at Liverpool. Manchester United have recently had an article in the Times saying they are fine financially and will spend big (which I think is probably untrue but hard to imagine the are briefing in such a way). Maybe Manchester City are losing £9 million per week and want to report it? Possibly.
The likeliest contender (by some distance) though would seem to be Liverpool. If it is them it's absolutely disastrous news. It would imply they are losing almost all of the sponsorship moneys for the duration of this crisis. It would suggest the contracts have enormous loopholes if they are already being enacted this early into the crisis. I would also deduce, it's highly unlikely that if football goes back behind closed doors, those sponsorships would go back to anything near full value either. Some may just terminate, others may well settle at 50%-60% of the initial value.
They are still paying back for that eyesore of a stand aren't they as well?
Thats really serious though. For whoever it is. Best case scenario is we start against part way through June meaning just over 3 months of this level of money lost. Well over £100m lost and probably pushing £150m. If we have to wait until August and the system is voided you could be pushing that number north of £200million.
The £100m loan makes sense with this too. Spiralling wage costs and overall costs probably running at about 80% of turnover means you would need £100m loan to cover the costs from 120m lost.
For whoever that club is though, even in the best case scenario it is a disaster. Any emergency loan, at this stage is going to be well above what the standard rate would be. (Banks are having to prioritise loans to business, so what liquidity they have is not going to football clubs). To enter a negotiation now, you may be looking at 15% to get them to arrange a short term agreement, maybe even north of that. Thats £15-£20 in interest you are paying back each year.
For whoever that club is, best case scenario is they get the loan, the fees aren't too crazy and neither is the interest (working to the above numbers) and it's belt tightening exercise. Worst case scenario they have to start panic selling to cover the money back, either as collateral, or because their owners can't have that much debt being piled on the hundreds of millions outstanding.
Buckle yourselves in lads, I strongly suspect they are going to start trying to push Mane out in desperation for some cash (if it's them). They hawked him around last summer of £150m and nobody even consider it. Real Madrid wouldn't pay half that. They are in serious financial trouble now as well. I think a day of reckoning is coming.
Disgruntledgoat
Player Valuation: £50m
I don't know if anyone has seen this article;
Coronavirus causing one Premier League club 'to lose £9m-a-week'
Top-flight clubs are facing huge losses as they are still having to pay out their biggest costs, such as wages, without receiving any income. One Premier League club is reportedly losing '£9m a week'.
Essentially stating one club is losing 9m per week (around £470 per year, or 540 euro's a year). Comment one from a Kopite is it must be us who rent the training ground from the council (we don't). They talk about us in a manner that is 20 years out of date and it's quite sweet.
Anyway my initial thoughts on reading this were that it will be bad for everyone, as if 1 team is losing that level of money they are all probably losing a lot. I thought 5 teams would have that sort of turnover. On further inspection only 3 teams make upwards of 9 million a year or anything close (Spurs will be now much lower this season without a CL run) Chelsea may be a 4th.
We don't make anything close to £9m a week, so it's funny how some suggested it was us. 3 teams do. Manchester United, Liverpool and City. They are the only 3 teams it could feasible be.
To narrow it down further you would surely ask, which club has acted in a pretty panicked way early into this crisis, maybe trying to get the government to pay their staffs costs? 1 team in the top 5 (Chelsea, Arsenal, United, City & Liverpool) turnover wise have chosen to furlough staff.
I saw it initially in the Daily Star, but it apparently broke in the Mirror which have good sources at Liverpool. Manchester United have recently had an article in the Times saying they are fine financially and will spend big (which I think is probably untrue but hard to imagine the are briefing in such a way). Maybe Manchester City are losing £9 million per week and want to report it? Possibly.
The likeliest contender (by some distance) though would seem to be Liverpool. If it is them it's absolutely disastrous news. It would imply they are losing almost all of the sponsorship moneys for the duration of this crisis. It would suggest the contracts have enormous loopholes if they are already being enacted this early into the crisis. I would also deduce, it's highly unlikely that if football goes back behind closed doors, those sponsorships would go back to anything near full value either. Some may just terminate, others may well settle at 50%-60% of the initial value.
They are still paying back for that eyesore of a stand aren't they as well?
Thats really serious though. For whoever it is. Best case scenario is we start against part way through June meaning just over 3 months of this level of money lost. Well over £100m lost and probably pushing £150m. If we have to wait until August and the system is voided you could be pushing that number north of £200million.
The £100m loan makes sense with this too. Spiralling wage costs and overall costs probably running at about 80% of turnover means you would need £100m loan to cover the costs from 120m lost.
For whoever that club is though, even in the best case scenario it is a disaster. Any emergency loan, at this stage is going to be well above what the standard rate would be. (Banks are having to prioritise loans to business, so what liquidity they have is not going to football clubs). To enter a negotiation now, you may be looking at 15% to get them to arrange a short term agreement, maybe even north of that. Thats £15-£20 in interest you are paying back each year.
For whoever that club is, best case scenario is they get the loan, the fees aren't too crazy and neither is the interest (working to the above numbers) and it's belt tightening exercise. Worst case scenario they have to start panic selling to cover the money back, either as collateral, or because their owners can't have that much debt being piled on the hundreds of millions outstanding.
Buckle yourselves in lads, I strongly suspect they are going to start trying to push Mane out in desperation for some cash (if it's them). They hawked him around last summer of £150m and nobody even consider it. Real Madrid wouldn't pay half that. They are in serious financial trouble now as well. I think a day of reckoning is coming.
... or its city and they just pump it out of the ground.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
They wont like that.
Everton 1984-87 - the European champions that never were?
In the mid-1980s the emerging team from Merseyside was Everton. Howard Kendall's young side raced to the 1984-85 league title with 90 points, 13 clear of Liverpool.
They added the European Cup Winners' Cup in Rotterdam, defeating Bayern Munich en route and were only denied a treble by a Norman Whiteside wonder-goal in the FA Cup final. That summer Kendall added Gary Lineker to his champions for an assault on the European Cup.
But the Toffees' European Cup hopes would be over before they began.
Less than 100 miles and a fortnight away from their Rotterdam triumph, 39 people died and 600 were injured when fans were crushed against a wall that then collapsed during the European Cup final between Liverpool and Juventus, after crowd trouble culminated in a surge by Liverpool supporters towards the Italian team's fans.
The incident led to English clubs being banned from European football for five years.
Everton were pipped to the league on the final day in 1986 before regaining the title in 1987, both seasons finishing on 86 points.
In that period Steaua Bucharest, FC Porto and PSV Eindhoven won the European Cup, so what might have been, particularly in 1985-86?
England's representatives had been pre-eminent in the European Cup for nearly 10 years, and having climbed to the top of English football, Everton were formidable opponents for anyone.
Four of their line-up started England's World Cup quarter-final defeat by Diego Maradona's Argentina in 1986, including the Golden Boot-winning Lineker. Lineker, who went to Barcelona and played in England's 1990 semi-final loss to Germany, has described this Everton side as the best he ever played in.
Liverpool two wins from title: Times teams were denied by unexpected events
It remains possible that Liverpool's record-breaking season may not end with them being confirmed as champions. We look at times when teams were denied their crowning glory.
www.bbc.co.uk
Everton 1984-87 - the European champions that never were?
In the mid-1980s the emerging team from Merseyside was Everton. Howard Kendall's young side raced to the 1984-85 league title with 90 points, 13 clear of Liverpool.
They added the European Cup Winners' Cup in Rotterdam, defeating Bayern Munich en route and were only denied a treble by a Norman Whiteside wonder-goal in the FA Cup final. That summer Kendall added Gary Lineker to his champions for an assault on the European Cup.
But the Toffees' European Cup hopes would be over before they began.
Less than 100 miles and a fortnight away from their Rotterdam triumph, 39 people died and 600 were injured when fans were crushed against a wall that then collapsed during the European Cup final between Liverpool and Juventus, after crowd trouble culminated in a surge by Liverpool supporters towards the Italian team's fans.
The incident led to English clubs being banned from European football for five years.
Everton were pipped to the league on the final day in 1986 before regaining the title in 1987, both seasons finishing on 86 points.
In that period Steaua Bucharest, FC Porto and PSV Eindhoven won the European Cup, so what might have been, particularly in 1985-86?
England's representatives had been pre-eminent in the European Cup for nearly 10 years, and having climbed to the top of English football, Everton were formidable opponents for anyone.
Four of their line-up started England's World Cup quarter-final defeat by Diego Maradona's Argentina in 1986, including the Golden Boot-winning Lineker. Lineker, who went to Barcelona and played in England's 1990 semi-final loss to Germany, has described this Everton side as the best he ever played in.
To be fair and as you would expect for the BBC the language used to describe the events of the Heysel disaster is somewhat sanitised.They wont like that.
Liverpool two wins from title: Times teams were denied by unexpected events
It remains possible that Liverpool's record-breaking season may not end with them being confirmed as champions. We look at times when teams were denied their crowning glory.www.bbc.co.uk
Everton 1984-87 - the European champions that never were?
In the mid-1980s the emerging team from Merseyside was Everton. Howard Kendall's young side raced to the 1984-85 league title with 90 points, 13 clear of Liverpool.
They added the European Cup Winners' Cup in Rotterdam, defeating Bayern Munich en route and were only denied a treble by a Norman Whiteside wonder-goal in the FA Cup final. That summer Kendall added Gary Lineker to his champions for an assault on the European Cup.
But the Toffees' European Cup hopes would be over before they began.
Less than 100 miles and a fortnight away from their Rotterdam triumph, 39 people died and 600 were injured when fans were crushed against a wall that then collapsed during the European Cup final between Liverpool and Juventus, after crowd trouble culminated in a surge by Liverpool supporters towards the Italian team's fans.
The incident led to English clubs being banned from European football for five years.
Everton were pipped to the league on the final day in 1986 before regaining the title in 1987, both seasons finishing on 86 points.
In that period Steaua Bucharest, FC Porto and PSV Eindhoven won the European Cup, so what might have been, particularly in 1985-86?
England's representatives had been pre-eminent in the European Cup for nearly 10 years, and having climbed to the top of English football, Everton were formidable opponents for anyone.
Four of their line-up started England's World Cup quarter-final defeat by Diego Maradona's Argentina in 1986, including the Golden Boot-winning Lineker. Lineker, who went to Barcelona and played in England's 1990 semi-final loss to Germany, has described this Everton side as the best he ever played in.
This would be more seem more historically sound:-
Less than 100 miles and a fortnight away from their Rotterdam triumph, 39 people died and 600 were injured when fans were crushed against a wall that then collapsed during the European Cup final between Liverpool and Juventus, after crowd trouble culminated in a surge by Liverpool supporters on a murderous rampage towards the Italian team's fans.
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catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
The thing with City is though, their sponsors are a lot by their owners, so can't see why they would be cancelled. I also have no idea why they would be panicked in the same way at loss of revenue. This is Manchester United or Liverpool.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
And if they go into admin, believe me there will not be a repeat (in our current climate) of the bail out from FSG. FSG will have all outstanding money paid first and will have protected themselves.
I think they avoid admin, as FSG will know that will put them in jeopardy. However they may start to seriously downsize while they can.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
Mark Lawrenson suggests Des Lynam has 'Alzheimer's or Dementia'
Ex-footballer Mark Lawrenson, 62, was being interviewed on the Off The Ball: The Football Show podcast when he was asked about working with the broadcasting icon.
What a disgrace...