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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

Given the basis of your post I would say you are concentrating on Troy Deeney who I really respect. Someone who is a hugely influential BAME footballer.

He spoke to one of my colleagues Dr Jonathan Van-Tam and his misplaced fears were reassured. He now accepts his fears were misplaced and has returned to training. He has a child who was born prematurely and had breathing difficulties but has been reassured enough to return to training.

Troy as an elite BAME athlete has put this to bed so why are you still continuing it. Looking to score points.

Well it hadn't really been put to bed at all. The reality is that BAME members of society are more impacted and the PL didnt do enough to protect them. Has Kante started training yet for example?

His fears were not misplaced, but the mob probably threatened him to have to return. A fairly standard situation for BAME people to have to navigate at times.

Its nuts that you will argue againstbwhatbthe BAME community are saying, and a black professor has noted, just to protect some cowardly Liverpool fans who sent abuse to Deeney and his kid. Have a word with yourself.
 
it’s more that this deal is double what players like Allison Mane and Firmino are on. Won’t be long before they’ll want parity. They’ll either have to pay them it or sell them.

Yes. Probably why they are struggling to agree wage deferalls. Worryingly for them, they are all coming ominously into the China territory, where they have for a massive contractual offer but ultimately a very low fee. What a shame.
 
Well it hadn't really been put to bed at all. The reality is that BAME members of society are more impacted and the PL didnt do enough to protect them. Has Kante started training yet for example?

I can't really believe that you are trying to equate the general BAME population who are more exposed to deprivation and exposure to the COVID-19 and an elite Footballer who is exposed to neither . As for Kante he is in a higher risk group because he has an underlying heart condition. That has nothing to do with his ethnicity.


His fears were not misplaced, but the mob probably threatened him to have to return.

His fears were misplaced, he spoke to one of my colleagues a world renowned expert and after reviewing the evidence he decided to return to training.




A fairly standard situation for BAME people to have to navigate at times.

Its nuts that you will argue againstbwhatbthe BAME community are saying, and a black professor has noted, just to protect some cowardly Liverpool fans who sent abuse to Deeney and his kid. Have a word with yourself.

It is very simple you follow the peer reviewed evidence. Something you seem incapable of doing.
 
I can't really believe that you are trying to equate the general BAME population who are more exposed to deprivation and exposure to the COVID-19 and an elite Footballer who is exposed to neither . As for Kante he is in a higher risk group because he has an underlying heart condition. That has nothing to do with his ethnicity.


It is very simple you follow the peer reviewed evidence. Something you seem incapable of doing.

Ah ok, so upbringing has no impact on lung capacity and general health (as just one example)?

And I'm following the science, it shows BAME members of the community are at risk, in part for the reasons you note. There is a report out from a Black Professor that clearly states that racism, as opposed to just job or economic status is a big factor.
 

Ah ok, so upbringing has no impact on lung capacity and general health (as just one example)?

And I'm following the science, it shows BAME members of the community are at risk, in part for the reasons you note. There is a report out from a Black Professor that clearly states that racism, as opposed to just job or economic status is a big factor.

Of course racism is a huge factor. It leads to fewer opportunities, higher exposure to deprivation and more exposure to COVID-19 in face to face situations.

That though proves you are chatting wham. Professional footballers have an unbelievably privileged lifestyle. They face absolutely no deprivation, and they face the risk of very little contact with people carrying COVID-19. The people they spend their working life with are tested far more often than the general population.

You are pretending to care about myself and my fellow BAME's in a futile attempt at virtue signalling.

You should be ashamed of yourself.
 
Of course racism is a huge factor. It leads to fewer opportunities, higher exposure to deprivation and more exposure to COVID-19 in face to face situations.

That though proves you are chatting wham. Professional footballers have an unbelievably privileged lifestyle. They face absolutely no deprivation, and they face the risk of very little contact with people carrying COVID-19. The people they spend their working life with are tested far more often than the general population.

You are pretending to care about myself and my fellow BAME's in a futile attempt at virtue signalling.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Professional footballers face racism. Being wealthy doesn't insulate you from racism. So there are other factors than you are prepared to acknowledge.

Rather than having a tantrum and accusing people of being ashamed of themselves for standing up for the BAME community, because you know you're arguments dkont hold up to scrutiny or evidence, youd be better placed to just stop making the continual inaccurate assertions.

The black professors report will be out next week. It will be damning and clearly show ALL BAME people are at greater risk irrespective of their jobs or wealth. Its not good enough organisations ignored that, and sort of underpins the structural racism all BAME people suffer.

Theres really nothing else to say than that. You dont need to continually die on this hill. You're just making yourself look a bit foolish.
 
Professional footballers face racism. Being wealthy doesn't insulate you from racism. So there are other factors than you are prepared to acknowledge.

Rather than having a tantrum and accusing people of being ashamed of themselves for standing up for the BAME community, because you know you're arguments dkont hold up to scrutiny or evidence, youd be better placed to just stop making the continual inaccurate assertions.

The black professors report will be out next week. It will be damning and clearly show ALL BAME people are at greater risk irrespective of their jobs or wealth. Its not good enough organisations ignored that, and sort of underpins the structural racism all BAME people suffer.

Theres really nothing else to say than that. You dont need to continually die on this hill. You're just making yourself look a bit foolish.

No the idiot uttering the phrase 'the black professors report' is the one who is clearly the racist.

Why would a 'black professors' report be more credible than a report from a professor of any other ethnicity. Unless you are a racist.
 
No the idiot uttering the phrase 'the black professors report' is the one who is clearly the racist.

Why would a 'black professors' report be more credible than a report from a professor of any other ethnicity. Unless you are a racist.

Maybe you should address the question to BAME groups who (rightly) champion giving greater opportunities to BAME professionals?

You've completely lost the plot tonight mate. Accusing me of being racist for supporting the report a black professor has made, which the government have tried to bury, calling out their mistakes on the treatment of the BAME community.

It's as ridiculous as when you suggested that I was virtue signalling for having the audacity to suggest an organisation that is yet to publicly apologise for the racial abuse a black player suffered at their hands ten years ago may themselves be taking liberties by taking the knee for a perfectly positioned photographer and trying to pretend it was spontaneous.

The same organisation who's supporters hounded a BAME footballers for highlighting the safety concerns he (in your own words understandably) highlighted. But as you say, I am the one "virtue signalling" to point out the response is a little hollow within that context? And I am the racist?

People will make their own mind up. You've tied yourself up in knots tonight though, you know you've needlessly made yourself look immature hence why you keep lashing out with these spurious accusations. And it's all because you are trying to defend the indefensible (for the most part Liverpool football club and their fans who hounded Troy Deeney). Its making you do and say ludicrous things.

You're in a bind though, the more ridiculous things you say, the more they are quoted back to you and the more infantile it sounds, so you get more angry and say even more immature things.

Youd be better off just logging off, before you do any more damage to your reputation.

All the best.
 

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Maybe you should address the question to BAME groups who (rightly) champion giving greater opportunities to BAME professionals?

You've completely lost the plot tonight mate. Accusing me of being racist for supporting the report a black professor has made, which the government have tried to bury, calling out their mistakes on the treatment of the BAME community.

It's as ridiculous as when you suggested that I was virtue signalling for having the audacity to suggest an organisation that is yet to publicly apologise for the racial abuse a black player suffered at their hands ten years ago may themselves be taking liberties by taking the knee for a perfectly positioned photographer and trying to pretend it was spontaneous.

The same organisation who's supporters hounded a BAME footballers for highlighting the safety concerns he (in your own words understandably) highlighted. But as you say, I am the one "virtue signalling" to point out the response is a little hollow within that context? And I am the racist?

People will make their own mind up. You've tied yourself up in knots tonight though, you know you've needlessly made yourself look immature hence why you keep lashing out with these spurious accusations. And it's all because you are trying to defend the indefensible (for the most part Liverpool football club and their fans who hounded Troy Deeney). Its making you do and say ludicrous things.

You're in a bind though, the more ridiculous things you say, the more they are quoted back to you and the more infantile it sounds, so you get more angry and say even more immature things.

Youd be better off just logging off, before you do any more damage to your reputation.

All the best.
You're having a 'mare here, mate.
 
More dribble from the red echo.The journalist in question is Chris Beesley, this is the same fella who called our last derby win a hollow victory.

Carlo Ancelotti doesn't want lowest finish for 16 years on CV - Everton have plenty to play for

Don’t believe anyone who tells you that Everton have nothing to play for on the resumption of the Premier League season following its coronavirus-induced hiatus.

We didn’t know it at the time but March 1 was the last occasion until further notice that Goodison Park was packed with fans and the day ended in high drama with Carlo Ancelotti marching on to the turf after the final whistle of a 1-1 draw with Manchester United.

The Blues boss remonstrated with the referee (who by the way was Manchester’s Chris Kavanagh, an interesting choice for a fixture between a team from his home city and one from Merseyside) after the home side’s stoppage time winning goal from Dominic Calvert-Lewin, which had originally been given by the match officials, was ruled out following a VAR review.

Whether the finger of blame lies with those meddling Stockley Park pedants, the man with the whistle for not awarding a penalty in the build-up for a foul on Gylfi Sigurdsson or the Icelandic midfielder himself for remaining on the turf in a crumpled heap and not getting out of the way from his offside position is up for debate but Ancelotti realised this was a big two points lost for his side.


The sharing of the spoils left Everton stuck in the bottom half of the table and some five points behind United in fifth for what could become a Champions League qualification place if neighbours City’s ban from next season’s competition is upheld.

Had they beaten Ole Gunnar Solskjaer’s side, that gap would have just been two points.


The normally unflappable Ancelotti, who shrugged off throwing away a 2-0 stoppage time lead against Newcastle United at Goodison Park in January by remarking: “They played well and it can happen”, was for once apoplectic.

Regardless of what some frustrated fans might say, especially those who just might be tempted to use a deadly global health pandemic as a thinly-veiled excuse to have an entire season declared ‘null and void’ – the Blue-hued counterparts to Kopites who invent trivial reasons why the building of Everton’s proposed new stadium at Bramley-Moore Dock shouldn’t take place – Ancelotti’s side should not be merely going through the motions on their return.

Of course this season – even before the COVID-19 lockdown – was already looking to be another wasted opportunity for Everton to make some ground on the division’s established elites.

Chelsea went into the campaign with a transfer ban and a rookie manager, the aforementioned Manchester United had the affable but seemingly out of his depth Solskjaer “at the wheel” while Arsenal and Tottenham Hotspur, suffering a bad post-Champions League final defeat hangover, were both in a state of flux.

But like the north London rivals, the Blues were flattering to deceive and made a change in the dugout themselves after slipping into the relegation zone in December following a 5-2 defeat to Liverpool at Anfield.


Even the previous term’s ‘best of the rest’ Wolves should have been there for the taking with the distraction of Europa League football threatening to bring a second-season slump but instead of Everton powering on up the table it was a Leicester City side managed by former Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers, who had finished below Marco Silva’s side in May 2019 who proved to be the Premier League’s surprise package.

All is not lost though in a division that below Jurgen Klopp’s runaway leaders, has been unusually concertinaed.

If the Premier League’s chiefs had pulled up stumps and called time on a truncated campaign as have the powers that be in the lower divisions plus other European top flights such as Scotland, France and Belgium then Everton would be condemned to finish 12th.

Some might shrug their shoulders at such a prospect but Roberto Martinez never stooped so low at Goodison and even Sam Allardyce who arrived only a little sooner than Ancelotti during his respective campaign, steered the Blues to eighth.

Everton’s current position would also represent their lowest placing for some 16 years since they came a dismal 17th with just 39 points it what can now go down as David Moyes’ ‘sophomore slump’.


Ancelotti, a coach with three Champions League wins and major silverware from all of Europe’s major five leagues does not want that unnecessary blot on his curriculum vitae.

Whether or not European qualification is ultimately achievable – and things are now more uncertain than ever with games being played in empty stadiums – with a quarter of their fixtures still remaining, the Blues should be able to climb a few more places.

What matches behind closed doors have tended to show so far is that while home advantage is lost, the teams with most quality are tending on the whole to prevail.

So with a supposedly stronger playing squad than both Crystal Palace and Burnley, the two clubs currently just above them in the table, plus new boys Sheffield United, Ancelotti’s Everton should be looking to finish with a flourish.

What total and utter rubbish, this farce of a season is a free pass for Ancelotti.He's only been here since December ffs.And they are still begging for donations as well.lol
 

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