ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

[The Equaliser]

Turns out our New Year's present was even better than our Christmas present. God I'm enjoying this.

 

[tsubaki]

The committee absolutely nailed Suarez being a devious little **** in behaving that way to try and wind Evra up and then claiming to be conciliatory.

They've backed themselves into a corner where two things are happening to them that they hate most: they're getting derided and laughed at.

Pretty much all over fans of other clubs and the media are condoning it yet they feel as though they're the victims. Madness.

Commoli will be the next in the firing line - its his (and Kuyts) evidence that has partially helped to convict Suarez, plus of course they can also blame him for Carroll, Downing, Henderson etc

 

[Matt Damon]

"Even worse, the thing about Evra accusing others before was totally fabricated by Kristian Walsh, an LFCTV columnist. This is the first time Evra's ever accused anyone of anything."

One of my friends on facebook just posted that, is this true?​

To be honest, Dalglish's comments could be considered to be in violation of the Equality Act 2010, given that he didn't seem prepared to investigate the complaint and was infact trying to defame Evra's character on baseless evidence.

Dalgish's response is disgraceful really. He SHOULD of said to the ref. "Ok Ref I'm going to investigate this myself on behalf of LFC as Suarez's employer"

He was LEGALLY OBLIGED to do that. But didn't. Ergo Dalglish broke UK law.

They're up **** creek with no paddle mate.

 

[tsubaki]

They're up **** creek with no paddle mate.

Its probably been mentioned before, but in Suarez' evidence there was at least two references to him using the word negro in training when having a conversation with Glen Johnson (IIRC it was translated as "pass the ball, blackie") - which sort of begs the question why noone at the club saw fit to have a word with him.

 

[Matt Damon]

To be fair some of them on RAWK are seeing it that Suarez was way out of order. The problem most of the morons on RAWK they have is with this 'credible witness' stuff relating to Evra. The fact of the matter is that the commission have to examine the evidence & decide if the witnesses are credible. In this instance it's not about Evra's history it's about what happened on the pitch - it seems insults were exchanged - nothing new there then - and Suarez both used racist language & then contradicted himself when giving testimony which is surely a strong indication of guilt (on the balance of probabilities).

Thats the thing. Dalglish in what he initially suggested to the ref, and also what LFC have released in their press releases have (perhaps unintentionally, although to me that was through ineptitude rather than them trying to be clever) have defamed Evra and actually encouraged (fanned the flames) on some disgraceful comments from their fans.

Dalglish and LFC have broken Discrimination laws, Defamation laws and as far as I can see this is just the start really.

If their legal council is any good they'll be telling them to back down and play dead because they are screwed really.

For one thing Evra has not yet had the right of reply to some of the comments from LFC .........

 

[Matt Damon]

Its probably been mentioned before, but in Suarez' evidence there was at least two references to him using the word negro in training when having a conversation with Glen Johnson (IIRC it was translated as "pass the ball, blackie") - which sort of begs the question why noone at the club saw fit to have a word with him.

Thats the thing - LFC - ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED to hold a full investigation into possible racist behaviour at the club and are LEGALLY REQUIRED to document such investigation and publish it. And how they will eliminate it in future.

Or should they face further accusations at that club of discriminatory behaviour whether intentional or not - they'll be liable to civil and possible criminal sanction.

 

[Matt Damon]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_for_Racial_Equality

The Commission for Racial Equality (CRE) was set up under the 1976 Race Relations Act. It receives a grant from the Home Office, but works independently of government.
The CRE has three main duties:

It has powers under the Race Relations Act to investigate companies or organisations where there is evidence of possible discrimination, and require them to make changes to their policies and practices. It can also take legal action against companies or organisations in certain specific circumstances.

LFC could expect to hear from the commission in due course.... if it is true and Mr Suarez had been referring to other players in training as (sic) "blackie".

Any coach worth their salt would have nipped that in the bud straight away.

 

[thebluefox]

The committee absolutely nailed Suarez being a devious little **** in behaving that way to try and wind Evra up and then claiming to be conciliatory.

They've backed themselves into a corner where two things are happening to them that they hate most: they're getting derided and laughed at.

Pretty much all over fans of other clubs and the media are condoning it yet they feel as though they're the victims. Madness.

enoch powell never said it that many times ,ban the bast///d for life

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Its probably been mentioned before, but in Suarez' evidence there was at least two references to him using the word negro in training when having a conversation with Glen Johnson (IIRC it was translated as "pass the ball, blackie") - which sort of begs the question why noone at the club saw fit to have a word with him.

Maybe he wasn't offended? Isn't that what it boils down to?

 

[Matt Damon]

Maybe he wasn't offended? Isn't that what it boils down to?

Nope.

 

[Deleted member 28206]

Nope.

I think it does, if Evra wasn't offended, he wouldn't have taken it further.

Also, did he say it abusively to Johnson et al?

 

[Antonio Barragan]

Its probably been mentioned before, but in Suarez' evidence there was at least two references to him using the word negro in training when having a conversation with Glen Johnson (IIRC it was translated as "pass the ball, blackie") - which sort of begs the question why noone at the club saw fit to have a word with him.

To be honest I think it's all down to the context of what's being said and he's obviously been found guilty of saying it in an aggressive and offensive context to Evra. If Johnson is able to take it without offence it should be his discretion really.

 

[Matt Damon]

I think it does, if Evra wasn't offended, he wouldn't have taken it further.

Also, did he say it abusively to Johnson et al?

Doesn't matter, if people are referring to people as "blackie" in training and say one player is disciplined or punished in training with extra training for not performing that could very quickly be very serious.

Its language which is banned by UK companies in the work place. Purely because how it could be considered to be seen.

Also all companies have duties to investigate such behaviour under UK law and eliminate any direct or indirect discrimination.

His use of the word is itself - discriminatory.

This is where the RRA affects Employment law.

 

[Matt Damon]

To be honest I think it's all down to the context of what's being said and he's obviously been found guilty of saying it in an aggressive and offensive context to Evra. If Johnson is able to take it without offence it should be his discretion really.

You're neglecting what the legal text says. It doesn't matter if one party doesn't take offence.

Its illegal. No ifs or buts. Its illegal.

By no one doing anything about it - that is illegal.

 

[Antonio Barragan]

You're neglecting what the legal text says. It doesn't matter if one party doesn't take offence.

Its illegal. No ifs or buts. Its illegal.

By no one doing anything about it - that is illegal.

I wasn't really talking about it being illegal or not, more the moral issue, but surely if nobody at the club raises a concern nothing can be done about it?