ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

[quasi modo]

Rodgers handled Suarez very well last summer.

Plus the fact only Arsenal were chasing him, and never bid what they wanted.

 

[toffee matt]

Is he any good?

 

[Coach]

It also makes out their fans were victims, having to witness such horrific events unfold before their eyes.

It really is disgusting the way Heysel is glossed over by that shower.

Quite.

And it almost feels like "the victims" are complaining about

what should have been one of the greatest nights in the club's history turned into a nightmare.

Class and dignity my arse.

 

[Ihaters]

It also makes out their fans were victims, having to witness such horrific events unfold before their eyes.

It really is disgusting the way Heysel is glossed over by that shower.

Didn't read it like that until you pointed it out, it really is like that isn't it?

Instead of one of the most barbaric, pre-planned, retaliatory, assaults in football hooligan history, bad enough it got the whole of England banned from europe for half a decade, its becoming a tribute to those brave reds that have to cope with the aftermath of a badly built wall.

 

[riddick]

Rodgers handled Suarez very well last summer.

That was Henry mate. Don't think it had anything to do with Rodgers. He was blubbering all over himself last summer with 'he'll have to apologize before he'll get back into my side'. How'd that work out again?

 

[Jacko93]

Didn't read it like that until you pointed it out, it really is like that isn't it?

Instead of one of the most barbaric, pre-planned, retaliatory, assaults in football hooligan history, bad enough it got the whole of England banned from europe for half a decade, its becoming a tribute to those brave reds that have to cope with the aftermath of a badly built wall.

No pal, bad enough it took the lives of 39 innocent people. English football was not the victim in this, Everton were not victims of this. The familes and friends of the dead are the victims in this.

If we are to properly remember those affected, in a real and sincere way, we need to stop using it as points scoring. Your post seems more born from hatred of the RS, than sympathy for the affected.

Note for all. We need also remember that people WERE arrested for what happened, so, at least in some small part, Justice was done, so stop with the JFT39 bollix

 

[hullefc]

Is he any good?

Seems like Rodgers is letting Suso a very talented and committed Spanish player to leave.

This is what Rodgers said about Suso, 'he has been really impressed with the youngster's technique and creativity.

The Northern Irishman reiterated his thoughts about the player's abilities, adding that his commitment to the club is great news.

The 39-year-old said: "We are all delighted Suso has committed his long-term future to Liverpool Football club.

"At 18, he has demonstrated outstanding technical qualities but also shown very good temperament to play for such a prestigious club.

"His commitment is very good news for all our young Academy players and the excellent work taken place by the Academy coaches and staff." October 2012. By July 2013 he was loaned to UD Almeira. Seems like Rodgers really knows his footballers. No wonder there is a committee to oversee his transfers.

 

[Ihaters]

No pal, bad enough it took the lives of 39 innocent people. English football was not the victim in this, Everton were not victims of this. The familes and friends of the dead are the victims in this.

If we are to properly remember those affected, in a real and sincere way, we need to stop using it as points scoring. Your post seems more born from hatred of the RS, than sympathy for the affected.

Note for all. We need also remember that people WERE arrested for what happened, so, at least in some small part, Justice was done, so stop with the JFT39 bollix

I've respected and appreciated the dead in the 39 thread, this is the kopite thread where on a global scale this shook football, 39 died and England were banned from football, both of these things have been mentioned in my posts.

Get off your high horse, the 39 are respected elsewhere in the remembering thread.

This is about how the Liverpool club responsbile for the tragedy are dealing with it, hence why the posts are in the Liverpool thread.

No one is putting anything above the lives of those 39, its a tragic event that cannot be understated... 39 lives... There is nothing more that needs saying other than RIP.

But the English did get kicked out of Europe, and whereas violence has happened elsewhere, and deaths have occured due to hooliganism, these have not seen the whole nation punished as such.

My use of the term bad enough to get the whole of England banned was because on a european level, this was a far rarer event (a first?) that demonstrates the scale of the event to those less inclined to consider actually how many 39 people really is.

To many, 39 is just a number, especaially if you don't know the people.

Now please stop trying to be my moral guardian by taking one line out of context and using it as a burning bra.

No one is putting the [Poor language removed] above the 39 dead Juventus fans. But we are cross that LFC don't seem to really care, or take any responsibility, or even acknowledge the fault of their own.

You clearly are not, but that is your perogitive, as it is ours to be annoyed.

Can you explain how any team banned from Europe due to the actions of those fans isn't a victim?
Just because its on a different level to what the families and friends of the deceased have suffered, doesn't mean others not related to the disaster were not adversely effected... or victims if you like.

 

[Khalekan]

No pal, bad enough it took the lives of 39 innocent people. English football was not the victim in this, Everton were not victims of this. The familes and friends of the dead are the victims in this.

If we are to properly remember those affected, in a real and sincere way, we need to stop using it as points scoring. Your post seems more born from hatred of the RS, than sympathy for the affected.

Note for all. We need also remember that people WERE arrested for what happened, so, at least in some small part, Justice was done, so stop with the JFT39 bollix

I am not sure anyone on here has called for "justice" for the 39.

What people are doing is commenting on another tragedy that happened around the same time at Hillsborough but which is rarely mentioned in any context and whose victims are given little or no sympathy by the people whose actions precipitated the disaster.

i.e. Liverpool fans.

This type of post is sadly synonymous with Heysel revisionism.

We can post all we like about Hillsborough, so long as it is reverential and respectful, but under no circumstances must we mention the Heysel tragedy because that is merely "point scoring".

And in doing so a hierarchy of victimhood is established.

With the maimed and mangled victims of Heysel at the bottom of the totem.

 

[canuckblue]

And just to put it into a sharper perspective, consider what went on in Rotterdam two weeks earlier....

 

[Ihaters]

And just to put it into a sharper perspective, consider what went on in Rotterdam two weeks earlier....

Or even Leeds Fans in Paris. The year before.

 

[Jacko93]

I've respected and appreciated teh dead in the 39 thread, this is the kopite thread where on a global scale this shook football, 39 died and England were banned from football, both of these things have been mentioned in my posts.

Get off your high horse, the 39 are respected elsewhere in the remembering thread.

This is about how the Liverpool club responsbile for the tragedy are dealing with it, hence why the posts are in the Liverpool thread.

No one is putting anything above the lives of those 39, its a tragic event that cannot be understated... 39 lives... There is nothing more that needs saying other than RIP.

But the English did get kicked out of Europe, and whereas violence has happened elsewhere, and deaths have occured due to hooliganism, these have not seen the whole nation punished as such.

My use of the term bad enough to get the whole of England banned was because on a european level, this was a far rarer event (a first?) that demonstrates the scale of the event to those less inclined to consider actually how many 39 people really is.

To many, 39 is just a number, especaially if you don't know the people.

Now please stop trying to be my moral guardian by taking one line out of context and using it as a burning bra.

No one is putting the [Poor language removed] above the 39 dead Juventus fans. But we are cross that LFC don't seem to really care, or take any responsibility, or even acknowledge the fault of their own.

You clearly are not, but that is your perogitive, as it is ours to be annoyed.

Oh and your also incorrect.. English football, Everton and anyone else involved in football that didn't have a direct link to that game WERE also vicitims in all this. Just in a different way and obviously not to the extent of the Italians, not that it matters, but your wrong on that count.

So..... This particular post is born more out of hatred for the RS than sympathy for the affected. But you have posted one that isn't.

Oh, and to take the rest of that sentence, I very much doubt that what happened was planned for to happen. This is where the tragedy is.

Fact of the matter is, a large reason as to why we were banned from Europe was due to Thatcher and the British Government.

The two big human events in the RS history will always be treated differently, as they are at completely different stages of resolution.

 

[toffee matt]

Or even Leeds Fans in Paris. The year before.

Leeds were in Paris in 1975 , ran riot and got banned for 5 years.

http://www.chrishunt.biz/features50.html

 

[Darth Toffeeman]

I agree fully that our greivance is nothing compared to the loss of the families that day, but it has always been the total denial that Liverpool FC has taken in the aftermath of the event. The statement on the official site is disgusting, making it out as if the wall fell accidentally.

The whole 'bitter' tag too. WTF is that all about. I have nothing but respect for what Alex Ferguson achieved with Manchester United, I am pleased for my long suffering City friends who hit the jackpot and still have to pinch themselves, and although I am desperate to start lifting trophies again, I do not see it as a given right for any football club, no matter what they have achieved in the past. But by God do I thouroughly dislike that lot across the park for more reasons than the internet could handle.

They hate anyone and anything that prevents them winning everything, all of the time.

 

[canuckblue]

So..... This particular post is born more out of hatred for the RS than sympathy for the affected. But you have posted one that isn't.

Oh, and to take the rest of that sentence, I very much doubt that what happened was planned for to happen. This is where the tragedy is.

Fact of the matter is, a large reason as to why we were banned from Europe was due to Thatcher and the British Government.

The two big human events in the RS history will always be treated differently, as they are at completely different stages of resolution.

No, they'll always be treated differently because the first was caused by Liverpool supporters, the second one killed Liverpool supporters. And a club that is offended by everything and shamed by nothing will grab every chance to play up the latter while completely glossing over the former save for a brief piece on their OS that still slants toward making them the victims ("what should have been one of the greatest...nightmare").
If we didn't have Hillsborough rammed down our throats every year -- minutes of silence at every ground, yet nothing for the Bradford anniversary of an event just as horrific -- and especially this season as they tried to tie their title challenge to the 96 (yet failing to evoke the same motivation in any of the previous 24 seasons), if they would come out and publicly acknowledge their role in the Heysel disaster, if they didn't rub it in our faces with that Steaua Bucharest banner, we might let things slide a bit.
But I, for one, am not going to be holding my breath.