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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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Jacko93 said:
Just out of interest, what position would you say that Gerrard played most last season? Deep lying holding midfielder? Yeah, me too. Anyway, as you want to look at stats, with all this rubbish about us playing long balls and you not, lets look at another stat, the second highest number of assists in open play came from whom? It was gerrard, the furthest back midfielder in your team. This would suggest that for large parts of your game, the central midfield players were bypassed. this would also support the other stats on Liverpools pace of counter-attack. You will find it very difficult to counter attack at pace by utilising a large number of short passes. So, it essentially boils down to one of two methods, running at pace with the ball (which Real Madrid do incredibly well), by Gerrard whose main attribute certainly insn't pace any longer, or a long ball by Gerrard, which the RS will tell you he's "der best in der werld at, lid".

On your other stat. Everton in the top 3 teams for long ball? This season? Cause I distinctly remember one of the main criticisms of Evertons build up play was that it could be too slow and measured. therefore suggesting that the long ball wasn't a particular ploy.

You may think its us ripping the piss, I just call it you being wrong.
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Look at 'premier league stats whoscored.com', I think that is where they are quoting from. It says we played 68 per game compared to LFC's 56.
 
hullefc said:
Look at 'premier league stats whoscored.com', I think that is where they are quoting from. It says we played 68 per game compared to LFC's 56.
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I see that, but that it taken from length of pass, not direction. There is a tactical difference between 'switching the play' and 'hoof ball' We have regularly switched play from wing to wing, whether that be in our own half or middle of the park. In fact, I wouldn't mind betting that a large number of passes completed from our defensive four to Howard were completed over more than 35 yards.
 
hullefc said:
LFC scored only 50% of their goals from open play, set pieces 26 goals Penalties 10 counter attack 9
Arsenal 79% open play , set pieces 12 goals penalties 3 counter attack 4
Chelsea 62% open play , set pieces 15 goals penalties 5 counter attack 5
City 65% open play , set pieces 20 goals penalties 6 counter attack 5
Us 66% open play , set pieces 12 goals penalties 3 counter attacks 3

LFC find it more difficult than any of the top teams in creating goals from open play, relying on set pieces, penalties and counter attacks. They don't have the creative flair to break down teams, that is why they resorted to long balls.
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@Lorenzo

Do you have a comment for these stats mate.
 
Jacko93 said:
Just out of interest, what position would you say that Gerrard played most last season? Deep lying holding midfielder? Yeah, me too. Anyway, as you want to look at stats, with all this rubbish about us playing long balls and you not, lets look at another stat, the second highest number of assists in open play came from whom? It was gerrard, the furthest back midfielder in your team. This would suggest that for large parts of your game, the central midfield players were bypassed. this would also support the other stats on Liverpools pace of counter-attack. You will find it very difficult to counter attack at pace by utilising a large number of short passes. So, it essentially boils down to one of two methods, running at pace with the ball (which Real Madrid do incredibly well), by Gerrard whose main attribute certainly insn't pace any longer, or a long ball by Gerrard, which the RS will tell you he's "der best in der werld at, lid".

On your other stat. Everton in the top 3 teams for long ball? This season? Cause I distinctly remember one of the main criticisms of Evertons build up play was that it could be too slow and measured. therefore suggesting that the long ball wasn't a particular ploy.

You may think its us ripping the piss, I just call it you being wrong.
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Gerrard didn't get most assist for us last season from open play, i didn't count the pass mate its on websites for you to see yourself. As for Everton part as i said you guys averaged one of most long balls per a game last season. So unless its lying i guessing i am not wrong from what i read but you can check for yourself?
 

Jacko93 said:
I see that, but that it taken from length of pass, not direction. There is a tactical difference between 'switching the play' and 'hoof ball' We have regularly switched play from wing to wing, whether that be in our own half or middle of the park. In fact, I wouldn't mind betting that a large number of passes completed from our defensive four to Howard were completed over more than 35 yards.
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So what your saying mate is although you do more long balls than us yours is justified because you switch the play? But in Liverpool case its because we hoof it up to the big man aka Sturridge or Suarez who both are smaller than Lukaku. Have you got any examples of Liverpool hoofing it up to the big man up top? like say stoke would for example.
 
On serious note where would you guys say your strength and weakness is? Do you think your make champions league this season(lets say you sign Lukaku and another Wing?)
 
Del said:
From Feb this year

The statistics do, in some ways, suggest an increased tendency toward long-ranged passing in Liverpool’s style of play. Their average passing distance over the entire season so far stands at 19.08 metres, the 15th longest distance of any team in the division. Following the reintroduction of the captain, though, the average rises to around 20 metres and during the seven games played since Gerrard returned against Stoke, Liverpool have attempted 354 long-balls, which amounts to an average just shy of 51 per match and a figure surpassed only by four other teams of the 20 in the League. Long-balls, incidentally, are here defined as any pass which travels over 35 yards before finding a team-mate.
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That sounds about right 51(by the end of season we was 56 pg) while Everton was 68.
 
Lorenzo said:
So what your saying mate is although you do more long balls than us yours is justified because you switch the play? But in Liverpool case its because we hoof it up to the big man aka Sturridge or Suarez who both are smaller than Lukaku. Have you got any examples of Liverpool hoofing it up to the big man up top? like say stoke would for example.
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Playing the ball from right back to left back, or to the keeper is not what is defined as hoofball, or longball tactics mate.
 
Lorenzo said:
Don't half think its bad as he is trying to make out. How did we get the Pen? was it not from opening play to win it? I am overall pretty happy with that stat over 100 goals don't sound bad. Wouldn't you be happy with over 100 goals?
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You scored over 100 goals and the backing/support of every ref in the land and still couldn't win the league. Whats to be happy about mate ? As of today, your club hasn't addressed the obvious problem; your defence. You punt on your best defender at the club and replace him with Lovren, who lets be honest here, is hardly an improvement. So again, whats there to be happy about ?

I will say this though. You're putting up more of a fight on these boards than your club captain did when he was needed the most last season.
 

blue4eva77 said:
You scored over 100 goals and the backing/support of every ref in the land and still couldn't win the league. Whats to be happy about mate ? As of today, your club hasn't addressed the obvious problem; your defence. You punt on your best defender at the club and replace him with Lovren, who lets be honest here, is hardly an improvement. So again, whats there to be happy about ?

I will say this though. You're putting up more of a fight on these boards than your club captain did when he was needed the most last season.
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We will have to wait and see mate?
 

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