ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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identical isn't double old boy, no matter how much you RAWK the figures

LOL it's ok. I got it. I've said my piece. As you were.

 

[canuckblue]

He'd better be Slippery G for this one....Good thing Sakho is no Distin.

 

[Walken]

LOL it's ok. I got it. I've said my piece. As you were.

your piece was wrong, please retract your statement and apologise to goat

 

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your piece was wrong, please retract your statement and apologise to goat

Goat, I apologise that catcherintherye was talking out of his arse. Thanks for your help in clearing it up.

 

[WA Toffee]

Yer mars cheese & pineapple on grand old toast lid is cutting edge ffs..

Where's the cheese and pineapple money bill?
(I know it's much funnier if it's all in capitals, but cba)

 

[chicoazul]

Goat, I apologise that catcherintherye was talking out of his arse. Thanks for your help in clearing it up.

You murdering get. Yes YOU.

 

[chicoazul]

You murdering get. Yes YOU.

Come on, don't like my post and instead call me bitter, Welsh and point out how rubbish Everton are (and I agree fully) and that we haven't won anything for absolute beards.

We have appearances to keep up.

CLATTENBURG.

 

[Run You Phuels]

If Gravesen had played for a regular top four team then he would be considered a top drawer player!

He played for Real Madrid.. Still wasn't considered a top drawer player.

 

[Pienaar's gloves]

Come on now mate. He was a very good player for us when he wanted to be, but way too inconsistent to play for one of the top clubs

Everton were way too inconsistent.

Raw talent. It was a shame his body had gone (and his attitude wasn't too far behind) when he returned in 2007.

 

[catcherintherye]

What is this based on? One of them has a goals per game ratio that is double the other's.

I have given the goals scored per season stats earlier in this thread mate. Sturridge has only managed to score 15+ league goals once in his career. Lukaku has managed to do that twice already and had an outside chance of doing it this season.

Sturridge will never regularly score more than around 13 league goals per season. He had 1 blip in his record and that was down to Suarez. Lukaku will regularly score 15+ goals a season and as he develops will score 20+ league goals a season. Sturridge has never and will never be of this quality.

 

[davek]

He'll just blame the length of the grass, or Roy Hodgson, or those players that aren't in 'the group'. Then he'll blather on about having no money for a bit and the kopites will lap it up. They are in 7th and loving it, the man is a miracle worker!

NO M8 EEZ BUILDIN A DYYYYYNASTEEEE WID ALL DER YUNG PLAYAZ WEER STILL IN TWANZISHON YWAN JF96 WE GOE AFAIN

End of the season, if they have no 4th place and no trophy, it doesn't matter how Rodgers spins it or what what those clowns who follow them say or think, FSG are going to look at the hard facts: £300M spent to get one CL qualification spot over three seasons = not good enough.

Rodgers is effectively fighting for his job in that FA Cup competition. I think the CL place is beyond them, tbh. Arsenal are Arsenal and will always come through for a CL spot. And I can only see United gelling even more as the season progresses. He better win the cup or he's out. I bet the bookies odds on him remaining manager of Liverpool tumble if they get knocked out of the cup or lose in the final.

 

[catcherintherye]

That's defo true about Alonso and Mascherano. They were just about as good as any player in Europe at what they did. If you look at Gerrard though he's never been a specialist at anything and never, therefore, excelled as a footballer. He's an all-rounder - something the English in general in sports are fascinated with but what continentals scratch their head at and see as a Jack of all trades, master of none. They see someone like Scholes as a player of note, because Scholes was the heartbeat and fulcrum for a dominant United every time he played. Someone like Gerrard, who had the odd cavalier flourish in a major game or two, wouldn't get that respect.

Yes they were both a class act. For all the criticism he gets Benitez was the closest they ever came to winning things. It was dull, boring and snidey at times, complete anti-football but he knew how to sign good players. It sounds very obvious, if you have a lot of money buy proven top players and play them in a sensible system, but Rodgers completely fails at this.

It doesn't surprise me that of all the managers they had, he was the one who minimised Gerrards role the most and played him right midfield in order to accommodate the likes of Alonso and Mascherano (but also Lucas and Sissokho). Aside from a miracle performance from Cantona this is as close as they have come to winning something.

The fact that Gerrards ego forced those players out says it all. I remember a debate on talksport a few years back with Adrian Durham waffling on about how England should have built their team around Gerrard (I thought they did) and a fan rang up and said they should have built the team around Scholes. It was spot on. Building your team around a player isn't just about picking the bets player, but it's about picking someone who brings the best out of others.

 

[davek]

Yes they were both a class act. For all the criticism he gets Benitez was the closest they ever came to winning things. It was dull, boring and snidey at times, complete anti-football but he knew how to sign good players. It sounds very obvious, if you have a lot of money buy proven top players and play them in a sensible system, but Rodgers completely fails at this.

It doesn't surprise me that of all the managers they had, he was the one who minimised Gerrards role the most and played him right midfield in order to accommodate the likes of Alonso and Mascherano (but also Lucas and Sissokho). Aside from a miracle performance from Cantona this is as close as they have come to winning something.

The fact that Gerrards ego forced those players out says it all. I remember a debate on talksport a few years back with Adrian Durham waffling on about how England should have built their team around Gerrard (I thought they did) and a fan rang up and said they should have built the team around Scholes. It was spot on. Building your team around a player isn't just about picking the bets player, but it's about picking someone who brings the best out of others.

Spot on that. Gerrard has been a disruptive influence throughout his career. That's counter-intuitive, but it's true for the reasons you underline. Benitez got that CL win behind him early on at Anfield and then had the stature at LFC to control Gerrrard without fear of a backlash being orchestrated. That, competitively speaking, was their best spell since the 80s: realistically fighting for the CL and putting in a challenge (until Easter anyway) to a rampant United in the PL. After the strongman left, Gerrard just took control again and played wherever the **** he liked.

 

[orly]

Spot on that. Gerrard has been a disruptive influence throughout his career. That's counter-intuitive, but it's true for the reasons you underline. Benitez got that CL win behind him early on at Anfield and then had the stature at LFC to control Gerrrard without fear of a backlash being orchestrated. That, competitively speaking, was their best spell since the 80s: realistically fighting for the CL and putting in a challenge (until Easter anyway) to a rampant United in the PL. After the strongman left, Gerrard just took control again and played wherever the **** he liked.

Only got to see that bell twisting the knife in by dramatically shaking his head when Torres was subbed vs Birmingham... playing to the gantries to get Benitez sacked

 

[davek]

Only got to see that bell twisting the knife in by dramatically shaking his head when Torres was subbed vs Birmingham... playing to the gantries to get Benitez sacked

Yes. Didn't the same thing happen against Chelsea in a European match too? Gerrard no doubt seizing the chance to get the problem out the door. I remember in that cup match two season's ago (I think against Oldham) at a time Gerrard was being asked to play second fiddle to Allen in midfield and work a short passing game, Liverpool fell behind and the camera's cut to the bench where Gerrard and Carragher were shaking their heads and giving daggers to Rodgers standing on the line in front of them.

He learned his tricks at the foot of King Snide himself: Dalglish. I suppose we shouldn't be surprised at how manipulative he's been.