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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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I imagine getting the echo to act as the clubs attack dog to try and discredit him is exactly the type of bullying behaviour he is talking about

Vile club

John Barnes has joined in now, saying he should stay 'because he hasn't won anything'. Presumably, if he wins something he is then free to go? or would they then argue he has no need to leave?

Can we assume the players Liverpool sign from other clubs should similarly stay at their respective clubs?

I could understand if Carragher et al were making a case as to why LFC was the right place for Sterling and his career but they're not even bothering to make that case. It seems he should just shut his mouth and knuckle down and be grateful.
 
So much for the argument that they never spend any more either. I wonder what will happen to them when the spending dries up?
 

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...the Tony Barrett article (another massive Reds fan by the way) indicates the owners have not supported the manager financially. This is clearly not the case. Ok, other clubs have more financial clout but the Reds have been given monies, it's not the fault of the owners that it has largely been misspent.
 
John Barnes has joined in now, saying he should stay 'because he hasn't won anything'. Presumably, if he wins something he is then free to go? or would they then argue he has no need to leave?

Can we assume the players Liverpool sign from other clubs should similarly stay at their respective clubs?

I could understand if Carragher et al were making a case as to why LFC was the right place for Sterling and his career but they're not even bothering to make that case. It seems he should just shut his mouth and knuckle down and be grateful.
For a club that has a high profile psychologist on tap they are remarkably stupid about how handle people.

Odds are that if you tell anyone to "pipe down and do as I say because I know best", their hackles are likely to rise and they are liable to go off and do the complete reverse in an attempt to prove their independence - especially someone young.

The patronising attitude Brendan and former Liverpool players have taken from the start just seemed very odd if their goal was to keep him at the club.
 

Not since buying Liverpool in October 2010 has Fenway Sports Group (FSG) endured such a chastening 72 hours. On Saturday, supporters at Anfield reacted with derision to the suggestion that the club are heading in the right direction. Then yesterday there was a vicious double whammy as Michel Platini confirmed that the Financial Fair Play rules which attracted John W. Henry to purchase the club are to be relaxed and Raheem Sterling’s camp made it known that the winger wishes to leave.
Whats this bit about? Dont recall hearing this..
 

Liverpool, always in the headlines for the wrong reasons: racist players, retiring players, players pushing for transfers, players who spit at supporters, players who are involved in gangsterism, players and managers in dispute with national associations over injuries...

They're just a Sky generation circus act that perform the role of filling in huge chunks of dead time that elapses between the big clubs winning stuff.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!



http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/32792000

Raheem Sterling: Liverpool winger not achieved anything - Barnes
Raheem Sterling has "not achieved anything" and should stay at Liverpool, says former Reds winger John Barnes.




As opposed to NEVER achieving anything at Liverpool. LOL John. LOL !!!!
 
...the Tony Barrett article (another massive Reds fan by the way) indicates the owners have not supported the manager financially. This is clearly not the case. Ok, other clubs have more financial clout but the Reds have been given monies, it's not the fault of the owners that it has largely been misspent.

They're the easy target though aren't they. I mean he's just about blamed everything, modern football, FFP, agents etc. But nowhere does he say that FSG are actually trying to fix rather than be the cause of Liverpool's problems.

Over the last two decades they've poured their considerable wealth into the wrong thing: the short term chase of the league title and getting back to 1990. Whilst United poured money into a stadium, their academy, and sticking by their manager, Liverpool went for overpriced foreign players and chopped and changes their manager. Now the Angield conveyor belt has stopped and they're miles behind. Rafael came in and brought short term success and everyone got hungry for money, the owners for a sale which then occurred, the new U.S. Owners for a future sale at an unswindled fair price, and Rafael for transfer funds. So despite regular champions league football and pl TV money Liverpool spent money they didn't have and when Rafael wasted it and didn't get in the ECL the financial crash occurred too screwing them over.

FSG come in, rebuild and call an end to needless spending, but the clamour for success is ridiculous so they make over a 1/4 of a billion available in transfers to Rodgers. He then wastes the vast majority of it. I'm sorry but how is that FSG's fault? Lambert Lallana Lovren -none for their so called transfer policy which makes you think there isn't one. Brendan got given the money but didn't have the personal clout to attract any top players. Even Redknapp got the likes of Bale Modric and Van der Vaart to Spurs do the argument wears thin.

Poor choices in managers and poor transfers all against the backdrop of hysterical delusional short term fan expectations are the reasons they are where they are. FSG's only mistake was appointing Rodgers but the likes of Barrett and co will try and put everything else on them rather than admitting they got greedy a decade ago and are now paying the price.
 
(Apologies for the long post). It looks like the Times are onto it now, and as I predicted the fans are starting to vent at FSG, and wake up to the fact there is something seriously wrong at the club. @davek .

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/clubs/liverpool/article4444751.ece

Vulnerable Liverpool are mediocre - and they know it


Tony Barrett
Last updated at 10:53AM, May 19 2015

Not since buying Liverpool in October 2010 has Fenway Sports Group (FSG) endured such a chastening 72 hours. On Saturday, supporters at Anfield reacted with derision to the suggestion that the club are heading in the right direction. Then yesterday there was a vicious double whammy as Michel Platini confirmed that the Financial Fair Play rules which attracted John W. Henry to purchase the club are to be relaxed and Raheem Sterling’s camp made it known that the winger wishes to leave.

Liverpool are vulnerable right now. They are mediocre and everyone knows it. The reality is that those at the top end of the football industry have known it for some time, hence senior scouts from Manchester City and Chelsea becoming Anfield regulars this season in the knowledge that Liverpool’s best players are there for the taking in a way that they haven’t been for half a century.

For all the opprobrium – some of it just, some of it not – that will inevitably be showered on Sterling and his representative, Aidy Ward, following yesterday’s events, the reality is that it is Liverpool’s weakness that allows players and agents to act in the way that they are. One of the club’s first and most important responsibilities is to make it a place that players find difficult to leave and it would be absurd to claim that is the case.

With no Champions League football to offer, only one trophy (the League Cup) won in the past nine seasons, just three title challenges since 1991, a transfer policy that prioritises the future over the present and an inability to compete for top players, Liverpool are failing to keep their end of the bargain in terms of how a big club are supposed to behave. Expectations have been lowered, almost dumbed down, and if the supporters can recognise that so too can the players.

Thus far, the strongest argument that Liverpool have been able to muster in their attempts to convince Sterling to remain at the club is that it is the best place for his development at this stage of his career; not that if he remains at Anfield he can fulfil his ambitions, that success is around the corner or that they will pay him as much as others are willing to. It is an argument rooted in weakness and lacking in conviction.

It could also be argued that it is flawed given that Sterling, a creative player, has spent the past 12 months playing in a team without a forward. It is all well and good playing regular first-team football but doing so in a dysfunctional team that stymies your best qualities is hardly developmental.

The reality is that Liverpool’s problems – their failure to finish in the top four, their struggle to hold on to their best players, the lack of supporters’ faith in the club’s direction and the pressure that is building on the Anfield hierarchy – are symptoms of the same cause: a flawed transfer strategy that it is causing untold damage. Signing potential rather than proven talent is undermining everything that Liverpool are supposed to stand for. It has reached the stage where one of their better young players is not prepared to hang around to see if their inferior young players will improve.

For all the accusations that Sterling is going the wrong way about forcing a move (and many of these are wholly legitimate), Liverpool are at the mercy of the ambition of others because they are either unwilling or unable to match their rivals’ ambition. That situation is only likely to become more severe now that FFP is about to be watered down. As Henry himself conceded recently, without FFP it becomes “very difficult” for Liverpool to compete. The established football food chain, ordered according to owners’ wealth, leaves them exposed. Rival clubs, avaricious agents and even their own supporters know this only too well.

FSG’s model is failing. Whether that is because it is fundamentally flawed or poorly executed is a moot point but what is not in question is that Liverpool’s entire football operation is in need of urgent evaluation. Until the things that are going wrong are put right, then Raheem Sterling won’t be the last to believe the grass is greener elsewhere, he’ll just be one of a number in an ever lengthening line who view Liverpool Football Club as a stepping stone rather than a final destination.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/may/18/uefa-relax-financial-fair-play-michel-platini

The only ACTUAL proposed change to FFP is that the following is likely to be removed:

Under the existing rules, the amount of leeway allowed to each club over a three-year reporting period was due to reduce from €45m to zero.

and or that the three year write off amount could be increased a little - provided it fitted in with the spirit of the rules and that the money isn't simply going into wages (see Premier League rules) and/or is being used to benefit clubs fan bases and grass roots.

Either way stadium development is unaffected.
 

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