ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"
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Brendan Janus
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They are Chelsea fans mate !!
The sun's out, the canteen's doing Chicken Korma and Liverpool lost
One of the better Thursdays I've had
One of the better Thursdays I've had
BirkenheadBlue
Player Valuation: £70m
To be fair, Klopp has overseen an impressive improvement in their fortunes.
In Rodgers' 8 games this season they averaged exactly 1.5pts per game
In Klopp's 30 games they averaged.... 1.6
Or to put it another way, they finished 8th... If they'd kept Rodgers and he kept accruing points at that rate they'd have finished...
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8th.
Absolutely world class man management from Klopp, I think you'll agree!
AndyC
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Is that SuarezStill this
catcherintherye
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Last night was Klopp's finest hour. He has been at the club 3/4 of a season and finished 8th (after inheriting a side in the top half). Last night was massive for Klopp on two levels and he has flunked it.
1) The monkey off his back.
2) The money off the clubs back.
Klopp has been a fading force for some years now. In spite of the hysteria of what was a flukey win by Liverpool against Dortmund it was far less convincing than the hammering Rodgers gave Klopps Dortmund team a year earlier. Liverpool have stood still under him while Dortmund have improved their performance by 60% going from being 11 points above the relegation zone to a points total that would have almost matched Bayerns the previous season under Tuchel (78 points).
Klopp has been on the slide for a little while now. There are going to be a number of high profile managers coming into England who will enjoy a honeymoon period that Klopp has had this season. Mourinho, Conte, Guardiola and potentially De Boer for example. It would be hard to see United, City & Chelsea being as bad this season with a new manager. Arsenal are always consistently in the top 4.
That leaves Liverpool fighting to finish above Spurs and also clubs like Everton & Watford with new appointments challenging them. Big pressure for Jurgen in his second season.
If you actually evaluate his record outside of 1 or 2 good seasons it's mediocre. He has relegation on his CV. He has lost his last 5 cup finals which is a truly Moyesesque record. Last night was an opportunity for him to arrest the decline and he missed out big time.
As for the club they now have 1 Carling cup to boost in the last 10 years. It is truly Wiganesque (except they will look on enviously at what Wigan have won in the last 10 years). Of course the obvious point they will put back is we are no better. My answer would be I agree wholeheartedly, we have become irrelevant but at least we are honest enough to admit it unlike them who keep going with the pretence they are a massive club. They have won nothing of note in 10 years (the league cup means nothing, as does the under 18's premier league winners we've had). Yet we have been managed by a joke of a manager in Moyes and our worst ever manager in Martinez. They have been managed by a world class manager Rafael, A club Legend Dalglish and the best manager in the world Klopp in that time, yet have a comparable trophy cabinet.
Last night was a big opportunity for them to create some new history for them to add in. A huge opportunity missed and I doubt they will get another one for some time to come. They have consistently ballsed up big games over the last 10 years. Athens, Chelsea at Home, Palace away, last night, the cup semi final at against Villa, West Ham away this season, Basel at home last season. the thing is that will never change as the fans will pretend it doesn't exist to protect the image they are a world class club. They can't hold Klopp accountable for losing big games as it undermines their mystique.
The only chance they have of being successful is getting a manager who delivers on those expectations. Klopp will know he can bottle big games and nothing will be done about it. Massive opportunity missed last night, a real turning point for them.
bitter-no-better
Player Valuation: £25m
Great post. That result will hurt them in the pocket (upto 50 million when you take into account CL money, gate receipts, merchandise etc).
They wont attract the calibre of player they could have. Hopefully they will make a lot of signings (again) and fail when it comes to the crunch (again).
...and Queens Drive all to ourselves.
OK, OK, so I already posted this quote from RAWK several pages back
I don't care. I make no excuses for posting it again.
It really is classic RAWK and it was genuinely originally posted on there without any hint of intended irony.
The more I read it the more I struggle to comprehend what goes on in the minds of these mutants
Quote from: scouse neapolitan
Have to repeat what I said before...We were denied penalties... true, but we played ***t and our support was poor...........it's easy to be great supporters on the lead-up to the match and once we got the goal, but where the ***k where are supporters when we went 2-1 down..
Klopp was right . Where were we?
****ing missing like the midfield but we have some responsibility and total silence.
There was silence for a long time...we ****ed up on the pitch, but by ***k, we ****ed up on the terraces.....sorry to say this, but that's the way it sounded on tv
I don't care. I make no excuses for posting it again.
It really is classic RAWK and it was genuinely originally posted on there without any hint of intended irony.
The more I read it the more I struggle to comprehend what goes on in the minds of these mutants
Quote from: scouse neapolitan
Have to repeat what I said before...We were denied penalties... true, but we played ***t and our support was poor...........it's easy to be great supporters on the lead-up to the match and once we got the goal, but where the ***k where are supporters when we went 2-1 down..
Klopp was right . Where were we?
****ing missing like the midfield but we have some responsibility and total silence.
There was silence for a long time...we ****ed up on the pitch, but by ***k, we ****ed up on the terraces.....sorry to say this, but that's the way it sounded on tv
Been milking this today, I reckon I'm gonna get jumped by a load of reds outside work later... Totally worth it! 
Norwegian Cow
Player Valuation: £40m
there are more utd fans than liverpool fans in norway.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
The Fanta Scruff stuff is the most perfect illustration of what they are all about as a club. Get to a European final (albeit one that the big clubs don't really care about) and have an opportunity to have a fun day out, watch your team play, interact with the locals, generally make friends and share life experiences. That is very much the Evertonian way ah la Rotterdam. Go, represent your club and the City with dignity and enhance it's reputation.
Compare that to them. Go abroad. Mouth off on TV about Everton and spend 90% of your focus on the true scouse team. Have the intention of finding foreigners, attacking them and causing as much disorder as possible. Get drunk/hyper on soft drinks. Once you have a gang of supporters to back to you up try to attack foreigners in their end, unfortunately get laid out and generally disgrace the city.
This sort of thing used to be hidden fro the public eye but it's out their now and the perfect illustration of why they love Europe. It basically allows them to indulge in their NF fantasies of terrorising foreigners and gloating about how Evertonians can never do that (why would we want to?). They are essentially Glasgow Rangers MK2 (and share the same lineage as them). This is what Europe offers them.
This season that is now numerous football stadiums they have started fighting in, sung songs about the dead and generally tarnished the city's reputation in. They currently under investigation for previous charges and they add to the trip sheet.Europe is their platform and it's what they exist to do.
Of course Evertonians will never experience that but what they will never understand is that we have absolutely no desire too. The problem for me isn't the knuckle dragging bitter idiots who are so overcome by stupidity and hatred of Everton they can't simply enjoy watching Liverpool but have to frame their enjoyment in Everton not being willing to drop down to their degree of violence. The real point is how these idiots are enabled by the football club and the few sensible supporters they have who brush off such behaviour. Where is the acknowledgement even that such a culture exists? What are they doing to try and challenge it?
For pointing these things out, all they will do is laugh and make comments about what they have won. They are the equivalent of the super rich who when breaking laws laugh and tell you how wealthy they are. It is changing the argument so they don't have to challenge the corrosive culture that makes heroes out of thugs who want to terrorise the continent and goad Everton about it.
I'm glad we are the opposite of him. We will never experience what you experienced last night and I would never want too. I'll follow Everton abroad and go abroad otherwise and refrain from acting like EDL/NF/Glasgows Rangers style knuckle dragger. That is the essence of LFC now.
Compare that to them. Go abroad. Mouth off on TV about Everton and spend 90% of your focus on the true scouse team. Have the intention of finding foreigners, attacking them and causing as much disorder as possible. Get drunk/hyper on soft drinks. Once you have a gang of supporters to back to you up try to attack foreigners in their end, unfortunately get laid out and generally disgrace the city.
This sort of thing used to be hidden fro the public eye but it's out their now and the perfect illustration of why they love Europe. It basically allows them to indulge in their NF fantasies of terrorising foreigners and gloating about how Evertonians can never do that (why would we want to?). They are essentially Glasgow Rangers MK2 (and share the same lineage as them). This is what Europe offers them.
This season that is now numerous football stadiums they have started fighting in, sung songs about the dead and generally tarnished the city's reputation in. They currently under investigation for previous charges and they add to the trip sheet.Europe is their platform and it's what they exist to do.
Of course Evertonians will never experience that but what they will never understand is that we have absolutely no desire too. The problem for me isn't the knuckle dragging bitter idiots who are so overcome by stupidity and hatred of Everton they can't simply enjoy watching Liverpool but have to frame their enjoyment in Everton not being willing to drop down to their degree of violence. The real point is how these idiots are enabled by the football club and the few sensible supporters they have who brush off such behaviour. Where is the acknowledgement even that such a culture exists? What are they doing to try and challenge it?
For pointing these things out, all they will do is laugh and make comments about what they have won. They are the equivalent of the super rich who when breaking laws laugh and tell you how wealthy they are. It is changing the argument so they don't have to challenge the corrosive culture that makes heroes out of thugs who want to terrorise the continent and goad Everton about it.
I'm glad we are the opposite of him. We will never experience what you experienced last night and I would never want too. I'll follow Everton abroad and go abroad otherwise and refrain from acting like EDL/NF/Glasgows Rangers style knuckle dragger. That is the essence of LFC now.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
Been milking this today, I reckon I'm gonna get jumped by a load of reds outside work later... Totally worth it!
Be careful mate, they are hard in gangs when getting tanked up on the Fanta all day.
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