ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

[longers]

But I am bitter.

Those rat mutants killed people and blamed Chelsea, which in turn meant we got kicked out of Europe, our best side was broken up and we went into freefall.

God damn right im bitter.

Why do you keep lumping them altogether ?

It's as stupid as labelling all Muslims as terrorists because a tiny fraction of them once did something stupid.

We boo and abuse our own players and are known for it, far more moronic then anything we point out about the most disliked set of fans in the country

None of that is anywhere near as dumb as labelling millions of people murderers who have never murdered anyone or had anything to do with it.

 

[longers]

I bring it up because that is what they are and those pieces of trash who brought that banner with them into anfield are part of the large majority who love to taunt us.
So obsessed with taunting us that they forget the fact 39 people were murdered.
And that is the main thing here. No one should go to a football match and not come home.
I don't care if I'm bitter. I hate everything about that club. I've met some decent reds but the majority are horrible, cringy muppets who are so disconnected with reality it's terrifying.

Sorry but this post is beyond ridiculous. You've ignored the key points that basically none of them are actually murderers and used the fact that a tiny portion of them once taunted us over it as a justification for them being called murderers.

There is little to no logic in anything you've written I'm afraid. Just looks like poorly thought out emotional spiel blinded by hatred and bitterness.

Are you happy for them to start calling all of us racist because we had some bad apples a few decades ago who gave us a dodgy reputation ?

 

[Prevenger17]

We really need to stop calling them murderers, it's beyond ridiculous and cringeworthy in the extreme and only makes The people doing it look like idiots. It's ridiculously toxic and needless. Just because some divs knocked down a wall three decades ago doesn't mean you can go round labelling a demographic of millions as murderers.

Seriously, without doubt this is the number one thing that can make Everton fans look like complete and utter turnips in the eyes of others.

Sack that sh1t off, it doesn't make them look bad, it makes us look bad and only gives more credit to the idea that we are bitter.

I kind of see where you're coming from but you're making a mistake taking it as a personal attack on each and every Liverpool fan. We all have mates and relatives who support Liverpool and nobody is calling them murderers.

But the hypocrisy of the club and some of its supporters when it comes to Heysel is astounding. I refer you to an excerpt from an article on the Liverpool FC official site about Heysel:

On May 29 1985, 39 football fans died when a wall collapsed at the Heysel stadium in Belgium. What should have been one of the greatest nights in the club's history turned into a nightmare.

Instead of leaving Brussels having seen our team lift a fifth European Cup, Liverpool supporters travelled back to England having witnessed the deaths of 38 Italians and one Belgian.

Liverpool had objected to the choice of ground to stage the final well before the friendly banter outside the stadium began to turn nasty inside. Aside from the fact that the stadium appeared to be crumbling, Liverpool's main concern was that there was to be a neutral section of the ground set aside for football fans from Belgium. The club argued that only Liverpool and Juventus should be allocated tickets. Setting aside a neutral area would only lead to both sets of fans being able to buy tickets off Belgium touts thus creating a dangerous mixed area. As history has since proved, this neutral area was soon filled with Italian supporters.

As tempers became frayed inside the ground about an hour before kick off, both sets of fans baited each other through a segregating fence made from chicken wire. After a sustained period of missiles being thrown by both sets of supporters, some Liverpool fans charged at their Italian counterparts and, as chaos took over, Juventus fans fled only for a wall blocking their escape to collapse on top of them. Thirty-nine football supporters died where they fell.

It's an unbelievable example of revisionism and evasion of responsibility. The club and community have rightfully fought for the recognition of institutional culpability for Hillsborough. But to turn around and wash their hands of a disaster which their own supporters instigated reeks of hypocrisy. Liverpool fans aren't murderers, but the term is intended as a reminder of something their club has never taken responsibility for and continues to brush under the carpet

 

[longers]

I know one of the fellas who was locked up for it. Have done for 40 yrs. I know what they are. So does he. I'll continue to call them what they are. I won't let them forget.

Yes the people who were responsible could be called murderers. How exactly that makes millions of people murderers, Lord only knows...

 

[longers]

Oh well...we'll all just stay silent from now on & congratulate or commiserate each other after the match and of course away from the stadium!
...wouldn't want you to be embarrassed by any cringe worthy behaviour from our fans

You can still call them tele clapping cringe merchants and so on.

 

[longers]

Chastising fellow blues about what we should or shouldn't say about kopites...describing them as idiots & utter turnips!
...I'd say that's even more moronic mate!

It's not really though is it. I guarantee you any neutral would share my stance on the matter.

Do you really want to go down the almost cultish route of thinking your fellow fans can only be correct and anyone pointing out flaws in their behaviour is moronic ? Wouldn't that be deemed as kopite behaviour by some ?

 

[ToffeeTim]

It's not really though is it. I guarantee you any neutral would share my stance on the matter.

Do you really want to go down the almost cultish route of thinking your fellow fans can only be correct and anyone pointing out flaws in their behaviour is moronic ? Wouldn't that be deemed as kopite behaviour by some ?

They cost us hugely and caused us to slip into the doldrums of English football and are monumental hypocrites. They murdered 39 fans through their thuggery. No other way of dressing that up.

 

[GerryandthePaceMerchants]

i may be inclined to stop calling them about pushing walls over and killing 39 innocents if they were to accept their part in it, maybe apologise for that and acknowledge the affect it had on a whole nation's football teams (us in particular). Then, I may put it behind me. It isn't banter, banter is light hearted leg pulling.

Couple of things here which might interest you based on a google search. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/heysel-disaster---30-years-9350754

"The disaster saw Liverpool FC announce a self-imposed European ban, while, at Thatcher’s behest, the FA banned the five English clubs who had qualified for European competition, including Everton, who had qualified for the European Cup after winning the league."

Acceptance of responsibility?

"Seven were given three year prison terms and the other seven suspended three-year sentences."

Convictions because of responsibility?

"It would take 20 years from the disaster until the clubs met again in the Champions League.

In 2005 the Liverpool ECHO printed the names of the victims on its front page, above a banner headline which read: “We’re Sorry”

The match programme featured a two-page apology by Liverpool fan Terry Wilson, who was jailed for his part in the rioting, while Reds fans held a banner spelling out the Italian word ‘amicizia’ (friendship)."

Apology in the clubs official publication, accepting responsibility?

I've never met a red in real life who defends Heysel. I've never met a red in real life who says that it was any other fans fault. I've never met a red who says it was caused by anything other than a charge of the fans. I've never met a red who was there who has anything other than deep shame and regret over it.

I honestly die a little inside when I see our (mostly young) lads do the wall pushing motion, or reference it in any way. People died and Everton are the worst off? Nope, not for me. Anyone who uses the death of people to score points in football (regardless of who they support) is an absolute cretin in the eyes of the vast, vast majority of decent human beings.

 

[BlueLlama]

It's not really though is it. I guarantee you any neutral would share my stance on the matter.

Do you really want to go down the almost cultish route of thinking your fellow fans can only be correct and anyone pointing out flaws in their behaviour is moronic ? Wouldn't that be deemed as kopite behaviour by some ?

Pipe down you self righteous bellend.

Stop insulting Everton fans and defending that lot.

You guarantee? How. An you possibly do that ?

Like @Prevenger17 said my feelings are that until they accept their part in the murder of 39 football fans they should be called out on it.

Or are you happy to let them airbrush it out of history as they want to?

 

[TrixyStevens]

Are you happy for them to start calling all of us racist because we had some bad apples a few decades ago who gave us a dodgy reputation ?

They have done and will continue to do so. Funny that.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2012/jan/06/oldham-tom-adeyemi-liverpool
The club and it's fans are quick to forget their role in events. Out of sight, out of mind.
That's my opinion. If it's moronic or too emotional then so be it.

 

[longers]

Couple of things here which might interest you based on a google search. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/heysel-disaster---30-years-9350754

"The disaster saw Liverpool FC announce a self-imposed European ban, while, at Thatcher’s behest, the FA banned the five English clubs who had qualified for European competition, including Everton, who had qualified for the European Cup after winning the league."

Acceptance of responsibility?

"Seven were given three year prison terms and the other seven suspended three-year sentences."

Convictions because of responsibility?

"It would take 20 years from the disaster until the clubs met again in the Champions League.

In 2005 the Liverpool ECHO printed the names of the victims on its front page, above a banner headline which read: “We’re Sorry”

The match programme featured a two-page apology by Liverpool fan Terry Wilson, who was jailed for his part in the rioting, while Reds fans held a banner spelling out the Italian word ‘amicizia’ (friendship)."

Apology in the clubs official publication, accepting responsibility?

I've never met a red in real life who defends Heysel. I've never met a red in real life who says that it was any other fans fault. I've never met a red who says it was caused by anything other than a charge of the fans. I've never met a red who was there who has anything other than deep shame and regret over it.

I honestly die a little inside when I see our (mostly young) lads do the wall pushing motion, or reference it in any way. People died and Everton are the worst off? Nope, not for me. Anyone who uses the death of people to score points in football (regardless of who they support) is an absolute cretin in the eyes of the vast, vast majority of decent human beings.

Great post. Someone gets it

 

[The Cowboy]

I kind of see where you're coming from but you're making a mistake taking it as a personal attack on each and every Liverpool fan. We all have mates and relatives who support Liverpool and nobody is calling them murderers.

But the hypocrisy of the club and some of its supporters when it comes to Heysel is astounding. I refer you to an excerpt from an article on the Liverpool FC official site about Heysel:





It's an unbelievable example of revisionism and evasion of responsibility. The club and community have rightfully fought for the recognition of institutional culpability for Hillsborough. But to turn around and wash their hands of a disaster which their own supporters instigated reeks of hypocrisy. Liverpool fans aren't murderers, but the term is intended as a reminder of something their club has never taken responsibility for and continues to brush under the carpet

Tbh that's the version of the story as I understand it. How do you see it?

 

[BlueLlama]

Couple of things here which might interest you based on a google search. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/heysel-disaster---30-years-9350754

"The disaster saw Liverpool FC announce a self-imposed European ban, while, at Thatcher’s behest, the FA banned the five English clubs who had qualified for European competition, including Everton, who had qualified for the European Cup after winning the league."

Acceptance of responsibility?

"Seven were given three year prison terms and the other seven suspended three-year sentences."

Convictions because of responsibility?

"It would take 20 years from the disaster until the clubs met again in the Champions League.

In 2005 the Liverpool ECHO printed the names of the victims on its front page, above a banner headline which read: “We’re Sorry”

The match programme featured a two-page apology by Liverpool fan Terry Wilson, who was jailed for his part in the rioting, while Reds fans held a banner spelling out the Italian word ‘amicizia’ (friendship)."

Apology in the clubs official publication, accepting responsibility?

I've never met a red in real life who defends Heysel. I've never met a red in real life who says that it was any other fans fault. I've never met a red who says it was caused by anything other than a charge of the fans. I've never met a red who was there who has anything other than deep shame and regret over it.

I honestly die a little inside when I see our (mostly young) lads do the wall pushing motion, or reference it in any way. People died and Everton are the worst off? Nope, not for me. Anyone who uses the death of people to score points in football (regardless of who they support) is an absolute cretin in the eyes of the vast, vast majority of decent human beings.

Liverpool decided to pull out if the following seasons uefa cup. No more, no less.

What does the Echos apology have to do with anything?

The frankly pathetic plaque on the wall is a joke and had they not drawn Juve then they wouldn't have apologised at all

 

[longers]

Pipe down you self righteous bellend.

Stop insulting Everton fans and defending that lot.

You guarantee? How. An you possibly do that ?

Like @Prevenger17 said my feelings are that until they accept their part in the murder of 39 football fans they should be called out on it.

Or are you happy to let them airbrush it out of history as they want to?

There's nothing self reighteous about it, calling their fans murderers is idiotic in the extreme and yes most educated neutrals would consider it piss poor to do so just as they consider it piss poor to label millions of Muslims as terrorists because a tiny portion are involved in terrorism.

 

[tommye]

Yes the people who were responsible could be called murderers. How exactly that makes millions of people murderers, Lord only knows...

Each and every one that denies it is as culpable as those that were there.