ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

[ToffeeDan]

And, continue to be completely self unaware what a load of pricks they are.

Not only managing to look a right divvy but chooses a disabled toilet as the backdrop - like why (that applies to all of it)!?

 

[Jacob]

That is a downright lie.

Those teams banned from Europe on account of their murderous rampage at Heysel played in the Screen Sports Super Cup in 1985/86 and I distinctly remember we were chanting "murderers" at them in the Goodison Lehigh of the final.

They were livid.

Yet more RS denial over the forgotten tragedy.

Yeah...that article I quoted and linked was by openly Evertonian Paddy Shennan from The Echo. He often writes emotional articles on things regarding the city and its people, him being from here. For the sake of parity and balance, I would've thought hed have well pulled Hooton up on that...and moreover the arse-ways anti-Everton digs at the end of the article. (Though maybe best perhaps to draw a veil over when he did a big embarrassing piece about giving his season ticket up at Goodison when we were struggling badly...) Nor did he pick him up on “Success on the pitch pales into insignificance when it comes to life and death and to bicker about it is wrong on any level"
No mention or interjection there then about that Sons of Shankly (or was it Spirit of... ?) "do" when the Munich song featured on you tube. You cant have it both ways. Trouble is, the RS not only think that they can, its the default mode for them now and one considered totally the norm.

 

[TrixyStevens]

No mention or interjection there then about that Sons of Shankly (or was it Spirit of... ?) "do" when the Munich song featured on you tube. You cant have it both ways. Trouble is, the RS not only think that they can, its the default mode for them now and one considered totally the norm.

I alluded to this in an earlier post about the Steau Bucharest 1986 banner and how the majority of LFC supporters are so disconnected with what goes on outside of their bubble. The club itself has a very similar modus operandi, out of sight out of mind. Yet when anyone dares bring up some truths they play the victim.
Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

 

[ToffeeDan]

 

[marsh]

sorry don't know what happened there, my phone has got a mind of its own.

Always the victim..

 

[d34noj]

I alluded to this in an earlier post about the Steau Bucharest 1986 banner and how the majority of LFC supporters are so disconnected with what goes on outside of their bubble. The club itself has a very similar modus operandi, out of sight out of mind. Yet when anyone dares bring up some truths they play the victim.
Offended by everything, ashamed of nothing.

I can guarantee most LFC fans don't even know what it means.

 

[Badge1878]

Juventus fans sung murderers at them at the time in Heysel....I also recall it being sung at the Goodison game in that stupid Screen Sport Final. Never have we tried harder not to get to a final, but succeeded.

History has it Howard's teamtalk v Norwich was along the lines of 'What a waste of time this thing is....out you go!' We won 2 0 in front of about 10,000 at Goodison...hardly a comparison with the chance of taking on European's finest was it? Bitter. You bet I am.

 

[Dan Tanner]

That Hooton is a bell. I remember reading that they were gonna organise a concert on one of the mersey ferries to try and get some solidarity between the shoite and juve. They made it out how it was all sorted amongst the team's on the backdrop of the river mersey and a music festival that a "few" of thier fans were invited too. Vaguely remember they had bands like groundpig etc... playing it and at the end they all felt vindicated as it was after all the stadiums, eufa, police, N.F. chelski, both sets of fans fault.
Even Phil neal on the load speaker appealing for liverpool fans to behave as they were still charging the juve fans as the dead were being carried out still didn't give them the hint they were to blame. Nor did the jailing of the Liverpool fans, no juventus or Chelsea or national front... just liverpool fans identified...

Well done oliver kay in the times... expect bullets in the post though, and a dave Kirkby and Hooton collaboration play on the royal court calling you a beast or something to discredit you, and a ban on the times in Merseyside.

 

[rylojr]

That Hooton is a bell. I remember reading that they were gonna organise a concert on one of the mersey ferries to try and get some solidarity between the shoite and juve. They made it out how it was all sorted amongst the team's on the backdrop of the river mersey and a music festival that a "few" of thier fans were invited too. Vaguely remember they had bands like groundpig etc... playing it and at the end they all felt vindicated as it was after all the stadiums, eufa, police, N.F. chelski, both sets of fans fault.
Even Phil neal on the load speaker appealing for liverpool fans to behave as they were still charging the juve fans as the dead were being carried out still didn't give them the hint they were to blame. Nor did the jailing of the Liverpool fans, no juventus or Chelsea or national front... just liverpool fans identified...

Well done oliver kay in the times... expect bullets in the post though, and a dave Kirkby and Hooton collaboration play on the royal court calling you a beast or something to discredit you, and a ban on the times in Merseyside.

What has Oliver Kay authored? Something recent or a while ago? Cheers. Oh and yes, Hooton frankly took the piss with his recollections in the Echo and such. The bad sword.

 

[Dan Tanner]

https://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2015/05/heysel-30-years-what-about-justice-for-the-39/

Some home truths addressed for once. (also further links at the bottom)

What has Oliver Kay authored? Something recent or a while ago? Cheers. Oh and yes, Hooton frankly took the piss with his recollections in the Echo and such. The bad sword.

Toffeedan posted it earlier under the anfield wrap but it was a oliver kay piece

 

[anjelikaferrett]

Ive always thought their disjointed takes on Heysel have merely reflected damage limitation. Ive never experienced Reds I know consciously raising the subject of Heysel for discussion in keeping with their usual template if we don't talk about it, eventually its as though it didn't happen. (Remember the silence from the rest of them when people planted spurious accusations of Evertonians disrespecting Hillsborough etc inside and outside Anfield ? Ssssh...it never happened). Mark Lawrenson expanded the point however when he was quoted in the press on the 30th anniversary as saying "Whenever as a group of players we get together, we never, ever mention Heysel. Ever. It’s as though deep down we do feel partly responsible for what happened".

Well that jars somewhat with Peter Hooton "of The Farm" - now 'go-to' RS media soundbite provider - who involved himself with Heysel peace events involving Juventus fans and bizarrely even Evertonians. He had the nerve to bring us into it as though we were involved whilst taking the snide proverbial with his cocky self serving article in The Echo 23/5/15, (edits from below....)
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/heysel-30-years---peter-9254188

"The stadium was not fit for purpose...As a Liverpool fan I don't feel any culpability whatsoever".....In the stadium you saw skirmishes - but you saw skirmishes like that, as an experienced football fan, over the years.....“As a Liverpool fan I don’t feel any culpability whatsoever. I did not choose that ground. I did not make the security arrangements. I wasn’t involved in the fracas that happened by the chicken wire separating those Liverpool and Juventus fans. I watched the match and, in a way, I feel a little bit guilty that I did – but I don’t feel any culpability or responsibility because, as far as I was concerned, we were going to a ground that had met safety standards. But it had a breeze block wall outside, no sign of any turnstiles and the terraces were crumbling under your feet. It was criminal to stage a cup final there........
“When Juventus played at Anfield in 2005, some Juventus fans turned their backs when fans on the Kop displayed the Amicizia (friendship) mosaic. I just thought if they want to turn their backs that’s their right. I think their attitude was ‘It’s too little too late’ and I think that was the attitude of a lot of Liverpool fans. There’s a small plaque at Anfield but I think many Liverpool and Juventus fans think their clubs both wanted to move on from the disaster.

Our peace trip was grass roots and accepted as a genuine gesture. Liverpool and Everton fans were involved and no one ever said to us "what are you doing this for ?"
"There was no attempt at saying sorry because we didn’t feel any guilt. That might look bad in black and white, but we’d been having a laugh with Juventus fans all through the day of the match. Organising the visit was a way of saying ordinary people can get on. We didn’t want to brush what had happened under the carpet and wanted to show the Italians they could come to our city and be welcomed.”

“You shouldn’t use the deaths of people to get back at another club on any level so when you hear certain chants, or read things on social media, you want to come back with the facts. “When people chant ‘Murderers’ they may say it’s not about Hillsborough, but because of what The S*n said about Liverpool fans it will be linked to Heysel and Hillsborough."“The ‘Always the victims, it’s never your fault’ chant was started by Man Utd fans during the period Luis Suarez was facing allegations of racism (against then Utd player Patrice Evra). But of course you could say it brings in Heysel and Hillsborough. It’s a chant that does hurt people, especially those who lost loved ones at Hillsborough.

“Heysel was never raised by rival fans in the late 1980s. After the advent of the Premier League, I think there was a certain feeling that the European ban had affected Everton’s finances. And when Everton were flirting with relegation it manifested itself a little bit more then because people were looking for reasons why they were in this situation.
“Success on the pitch pales into insignificance when it comes to life and death and to bicker about it is wrong on any level.



Ahhh...so we just twisted it hey, la ? Unbelievable...but there in print.

Wow. Their delusion knows no bounds.

 

[Minimeister]

That Hooton is a bell. I remember reading that they were gonna organise a concert on one of the mersey ferries to try and get some solidarity between the shoite and juve. They made it out how it was all sorted amongst the team's on the backdrop of the river mersey and a music festival that a "few" of thier fans were invited too. Vaguely remember they had bands like groundpig etc... playing it and at the end they all felt vindicated as it was after all the stadiums, eufa, police, N.F. chelski, both sets of fans fault.
Even Phil neal on the load speaker appealing for liverpool fans to behave as they were still charging the juve fans as the dead were being carried out still didn't give them the hint they were to blame. Nor did the jailing of the Liverpool fans, no juventus or Chelsea or national front... just liverpool fans identified...

Well done oliver kay in the times... expect bullets in the post though, and a dave Kirkby and Hooton collaboration play on the royal court calling you a beast or something to discredit you, and a ban on the times in Merseyside.

Phil Neal. Who refused to contribute to a Sunday paper piece about the disaster unless he was paid for it. Captain of class and diggity FC.

 

[TommyDavo]

The difference between the two sets of fans can be summed up by one often repeated scenario. If our match is on tv in a pub or bar, there is inevitably always one kopite watching as well loudly mocking the blues, cheering the opposition goals, slow clapping if we lose etc. What's the worst that happens? He's largely ignored, at most he might get a few disgruntled words behind his back (which he would be completely oblivious to of course). Reverse the scenario though, I've been out with friends watching the RS game (unfortunately) and if they lose I've felt threatened just for even being known as a blue and that's if I've kept my mouth shut for the whole game. If a blue started giving it the big one during and straight after a painful Liverpool loss there would be violence within minutes. The vast majority of them have been fed on a diet of perpetual success and a narrative of believing they have a divine right to win everything and lord it over all other clubs. They can't deal with disappointment failure and embarassment like most other fans can, they're not able to laugh off banter from opposing fans. Aggression is their default setting and has got them in trouble all over Europe. Let's be honest if it wasn't for the favourable media treatment and the raft of special dispensations they've accrued their reputation would be in the gutter where it belongs.

Case in point, their European run last season was marred with countless incidents of loutish behaviour, flares, offensive banners, ticket issues, fighting during the game, so much so that UEFA whacked them with fines. Not to mention a drug scandal of one crucial player. This was largely swept under the carpet though. A few French ultras jump a bar of unsuspecting blues in Lille though and the papers couldn't get enough of Evertonians in bar fighting chair throwing incident. Liverpool fans know they're largely untouchable and protected by the authorities, it just fuels their behaviour even more.

The only thing I'd say here is that the diet of success they've been fed on for the last 30 years is definitely low calorie

 

[thirdmantackle]

They just had to get in the dig at Everton and Juventus supporters too, for turning their backs literally on the 'friendship' match.

Always the victims

 

[Blues Harp]

remember rs friends coming back and using the NF/Chelsea fans excuse ..I believed them at the time but later lived opposite the father of an rs who was jailed for his part in the disaster...he said that his son deserved all he got and there was no other fans involved .. as told to him by his son ...