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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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Saint Domingo said:
The difference between the two sets of fans can be summed up by one often repeated scenario. If our match is on tv in a pub or bar, there is inevitably always one kopite watching as well loudly mocking the blues, cheering the opposition goals, slow clapping if we lose etc. What's the worst that happens? He's largely ignored, at most he might get a few disgruntled words behind his back (which he would be completely oblivious to of course). Reverse the scenario though, I've been out with friends watching the RS game (unfortunately) and if they lose I've felt threatened just for even being known as a blue and that's if I've kept my mouth shut for the whole game. If a blue started giving it the big one during and straight after a painful Liverpool loss there would be violence within minutes. The vast majority of them have been fed on a diet of perpetual success and a narrative of believing they have a divine right to win everything and lord it over all other clubs. They can't deal with disappointment failure and embarassment like most other fans can, they're not able to laugh off banter from opposing fans. Aggression is their default setting and has got them in trouble all over Europe. Let's be honest if it wasn't for the favourable media treatment and the raft of special dispensations they've accrued their reputation would be in the gutter where it belongs.

Case in point, their European run last season was marred with countless incidents of loutish behaviour, flares, offensive banners, ticket issues, fighting during the game, so much so that UEFA whacked them with fines. Not to mention a drug scandal of one crucial player. This was largely swept under the carpet though. A few French ultras jump a bar of unsuspecting blues in Lille though and the papers couldn't get enough of Evertonians in bar fighting chair throwing incident. Liverpool fans know they're largely untouchable and protected by the authorities, it just fuels their behaviour even more.
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When in the company of r/s fans, and they get beat, just learn to Smirk, have become quite good at it lately.
 

royalblue66 said:
When in the company of r/s fans, and they get beat, just learn to Smirk, have become quite good at it lately.
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I prefer to....
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Saint Domingo said:
Worst of all was their cringey 'in memory and friendship' banner and mosaic they had at the Juventus game at Anfield. It was so kopite, a big look at me gesture when they knew the world would be watching, their typical use of foreign language to make them out as super cultural, and to top it off it didn't even say sorry. Once the cameras have gone though the reality is a plastic plaque outside of Anfield and paltry club delegations half heartedly turning up at memorial days. Then the mock outrage when the Juve fans quite rightly turned their backs on the whole thing which the British media just glossed over in their annoyance that the Juventus fans hadn't waved their half and half scarves and expunged the greatest club in set world of any wrongdoing on the back of a half arsed 'apology'. Maybe they thought they'd all join in a chorus of you'll never walk alone and it would all be fine. Why wait until prompted by a champions league game to acknowledge their part in it?
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I travelled frequently to Italy for work over the past four years and believe me all Italian soccer fans, not just Juve fans, absolutely despise RS.

Everyone I spoke to was fine when they heard I was a Blue
 

Saint Domingo said:
Worst of all was their cringey 'in memory and friendship' banner and mosaic they had at the Juventus game at Anfield. It was so kopite, a big look at me gesture when they knew the world would be watching, their typical use of foreign language to make them out as super cultural, and to top it off it didn't even say sorry. Once the cameras have gone though the reality is a plastic plaque outside of Anfield and paltry club delegations half heartedly turning up at memorial days. Then the mock outrage when the Juve fans quite rightly turned their backs on the whole thing which the British media just glossed over in their annoyance that the Juventus fans hadn't waved their half and half scarves and expunged the greatest club in set world of any wrongdoing on the back of a half arsed 'apology'. Maybe they thought they'd all join in a chorus of you'll never walk alone and it would all be fine. Why wait until prompted by a champions league game to acknowledge their part in it?
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Ive always thought their disjointed takes on Heysel have merely reflected damage limitation. Ive never experienced Reds I know consciously raising the subject of Heysel for discussion in keeping with their usual template if we don't talk about it, eventually its as though it didn't happen. (Remember the silence from the rest of them when people planted spurious accusations of Evertonians disrespecting Hillsborough etc inside and outside Anfield ? Ssssh...it never happened). Mark Lawrenson expanded the point however when he was quoted in the press on the 30th anniversary as saying "Whenever as a group of players we get together, we never, ever mention Heysel. Ever. It’s as though deep down we do feel partly responsible for what happened".

Well that jars somewhat with Peter Hooton "of The Farm" - now 'go-to' RS media soundbite provider - who involved himself with Heysel peace events involving Juventus fans and bizarrely even Evertonians. He had the nerve to bring us into it as though we were involved whilst taking the snide proverbial with his cocky self serving article in The Echo 23/5/15, (edits from below....)
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/heysel-30-years---peter-9254188

"The stadium was not fit for purpose...As a Liverpool fan I don't feel any culpability whatsoever".....In the stadium you saw skirmishes - but you saw skirmishes like that, as an experienced football fan, over the years.....“As a Liverpool fan I don’t feel any culpability whatsoever. I did not choose that ground. I did not make the security arrangements. I wasn’t involved in the fracas that happened by the chicken wire separating those Liverpool and Juventus fans. I watched the match and, in a way, I feel a little bit guilty that I did – but I don’t feel any culpability or responsibility because, as far as I was concerned, we were going to a ground that had met safety standards. But it had a breeze block wall outside, no sign of any turnstiles and the terraces were crumbling under your feet. It was criminal to stage a cup final there........
“When Juventus played at Anfield in 2005, some Juventus fans turned their backs when fans on the Kop displayed the Amicizia (friendship) mosaic. I just thought if they want to turn their backs that’s their right. I think their attitude was ‘It’s too little too late’ and I think that was the attitude of a lot of Liverpool fans. There’s a small plaque at Anfield but I think many Liverpool and Juventus fans think their clubs both wanted to move on from the disaster.

Our peace trip was grass roots and accepted as a genuine gesture. Liverpool and Everton fans were involved and no one ever said to us "what are you doing this for ?"
"There was no attempt at saying sorry because we didn’t feel any guilt. That might look bad in black and white, but we’d been having a laugh with Juventus fans all through the day of the match. Organising the visit was a way of saying ordinary people can get on. We didn’t want to brush what had happened under the carpet and wanted to show the Italians they could come to our city and be welcomed.”

“You shouldn’t use the deaths of people to get back at another club on any level so when you hear certain chants, or read things on social media, you want to come back with the facts. “When people chant ‘Murderers’ they may say it’s not about Hillsborough, but because of what The S*n said about Liverpool fans it will be linked to Heysel and Hillsborough."“The ‘Always the victims, it’s never your fault’ chant was started by Man Utd fans during the period Luis Suarez was facing allegations of racism (against then Utd player Patrice Evra). But of course you could say it brings in Heysel and Hillsborough. It’s a chant that does hurt people, especially those who lost loved ones at Hillsborough.

“Heysel was never raised by rival fans in the late 1980s. After the advent of the Premier League, I think there was a certain feeling that the European ban had affected Everton’s finances. And when Everton were flirting with relegation it manifested itself a little bit more then because people were looking for reasons why they were in this situation.
“Success on the pitch pales into insignificance when it comes to life and death and to bicker about it is wrong on any level.



Ahhh...so we just twisted it hey, la ? Unbelievable...but there in print.

 
Can't be bothered going back looking for the posts that kicked this all off but I think we can safely say, Evertonians don't have any problem with their reputation amongst other clubs fans whilst Liberpewl are detested everywhere by everyone you come across. So don't worry about what others think about us calling them murderers. It hasn't affected us yet.
 

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