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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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Dario Terracotta said:
See the BNS monstrosity each day from past the Tesco on Hawthorne Road on my way to work, every day without fail I shout an obscenity at it from the confines of my car, it's great never growing up eh?lol
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That's football for you mate. I've only made it to 1 game this season against West Ham, and I found myself behaving like a kid again!
 
Have we had this yet?

Liverpool could be banned from signing academy players over allegations they breached Premier League rules when tapping up a schoolboy from Stoke City.

Liverpool are one of a number of clubs being investigated for poaching young talent as the Premier League seeks to enforce new rules on academy transfers. The Anfield club, who have been in negotiations with the League over a potential sanction, could be fined or hit with a transfer embargo if found guilty of offering a banned inducement to the former Stoke player. Barcelona, Real Madrid and Atlético Madrid have faced similar embargoes in recent seasons.

The ongoing investigation centres on a complaint that Liverpool reneged on a deal to pay the 12-year-old’s private school fees, leaving his parents in thousands of pounds of debt. Stoke had been paying the fees until the player, regarded as one of their brightest talents, accepted an offer to join Liverpool with an inducement that the Anfield club would pay for his education until the age of 16.

When discovering that new rules introduced last summer meant the club would have to pay for all of their schoolchildren to be privately educated, it is alleged, Liverpool withdrew the offer, prompting the boy’s parents to pull out of the deal. However, the boy cannot sign for another club until Stoke have received a compensation fee of £49,000 from Liverpool and, in the meantime, the parents have been left liable for school fees that are believed to run into thousands.

The Premier League, ironically, is also investigating a complaint from Liverpool over the departure of one of their academy players to Manchester City.
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Raino85 said:
It isn't the worst thing in the world to have "break even" summers. Infact is is good business sense.
Ourselves and Spurs have done it very effectively over the years.
And i would say liverpool did it fairly well last year, replacing Mane for Benteke and getting 21 million off bournemouth for Brad Smith and Jordan Ibe

What it will highlight though is FSG are not willing to push the club on if it means spending abit of money.

I look at there centre midfield of Can & Hendo and think why the hell did they not go in for Schneiderlin in January. He would of improved them immensely, but its down to the fact that FSG did not want to invest 23 million into playing staff without getting any sort o.f money back via selling a player
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not disagreeing with your premise but there's no chance in hell United would have sold a player to Liverpool
 
Steve0 said:
Coutinho's team will have demanded a release figure, Lukaku style, we just wont hear about it.
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Sources close to the club have been briefed with a - 'largest transfer budget in their history' line though, rumoured to be around 70m - coincidentally - what figure that Coutinho (50m?) would end up fetching, throw in Sahko who will go for 15-20m, Markovic (5-10m tops), Sturridge (15m?) and possibly a couple of other peripheral players (Lucas, Stewart, Mignolet and likely 1 or 2 of their 'amazing' academy lads for overinflated fees like Ibe went for - say 20-25m in total)

They will do a smoke and mirrors thing again will FSG - spend around 110-115m pound - so will sem on the surface to be doing a big spend spree, when in reality they are just selling to buy.

Will also predict something - IF they suddenly dip and drop out the top 4 race over the next month, then last 3-4 games of the season they will start playing 3-4 of their academy kids and some fringe players like Steward, Sturridge etc in order to increase their sale values.
 

Kenshin said:
Last summer was decent if you want to say that for them yes. A lot of the incoming came from squad players though in all fairness so it was a load od deadwood, some they spent real money in the first place on that brought the costs down. Generally when they do it though it can be awful with some of the random names they bring in. At some point you can't spend the same as your incoming without selling players you don't want to sell, which is where you start treading water and not going anywhere. Us selling stones for example was good business in a way, 5 players for 1 and he was always leaving. Except we do it again this summer and we wre weakening the first team (lukaku) so it kinda makes it pointless to sell to buy in that situation if we hyperthetically was doing that. that is what i mean in reagrds to the break even model, eventually you can't break even through normal means.
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They brought in a load of 'filler' players with talk about how they where gonna be brilliant young gems found by Klopp - ala how he did it at Dortmund

of those - Karius - absolutely bombed and been dropped for Mignolet who is regarded as a bang average keeper
Grujic - tagged by them as this gem who would turn into an absolute bargain, so far hardly featured and looks absolutely nothing to get excited about, hardly makes their squad and they put 17yo bang average academy players ahead of him on it
Manninger - yeah...
Klavan - 31yo Estonian journeyman now starting for the greatest club in the world, how the standards have fallen, so good a player that Klopp actually preferred Lucas ahead of him until he was so brutally bummed by Vardy that he had to drop him
Wijnaldum - getting touted by them as world class now that he has put in a few


To pay for all this though they ended up absolutely gutting the depth of the squad, to the extent that when you look at their bench now it's shocking weak, also had to get rid of their performances at home, still not seen him do a bean away from home though which is the criticism levelled at him by the Barcode fans
Mane - very good signing, can't argue with that best cb - cos Klopp didn't like his attitude, got rid of their plan B in Benteke because he didn't fit Klopps pressing philosophy - which rather amusingly has shown to not work at teams that sit deep and deny them space - wonder if Benteke would have been handy against those types of teams...

Problem they now have going forward is that they have stripped the squad to the bare bones in terms of depth, they've loaned out Markovic (twice), Wisdom, Flannagan and Sahko to try to raise their prices for the future sale, but all besides Sahko have bombed on loan thus decreasing their value in reality (and Sahko due to Klopp will always be tagged as a problem player now - which will half his price when sold)

Besides for those, then they have nothing to sell besides players they don't want to leave - maybe a few fringe players like Stewart, Sturridge etc whose values won't exactly pay for what they need to bring in, ultimately they Have to sell one of their big name players in order to bring in anyone they want.
 
Raino85 said:
It isn't the worst thing in the world to have "break even" summers. Infact is is good business sense.
Ourselves and Spurs have done it very effectively over the years.
And i would say liverpool did it fairly well last year, replacing Mane for Benteke and getting 21 million off bournemouth for Brad Smith and Jordan Ibe

What it will highlight though is FSG are not willing to push the club on if it means spending abit of money.

I look at there centre midfield of Can & Hendo and think why the hell did they not go in for Schneiderlin in January. He would of improved them immensely, but its down to the fact that FSG did not want to invest 23 million into playing staff without getting any sort of money back via selling a player
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Do you think that Liverpool are now doing a Everton of Moyes Era ?

Balancing the books unless selling a player or CL qualification ? It does make good business sense for a club owned by businessmen.
 

bluestevon said:
They brought in a load of 'filler' players with talk about how they where gonna be brilliant young gems found by Klopp - ala how he did it at Dortmund

of those - Karius - absolutely bombed and been dropped for Mignolet who is regarded as a bang average keeper
Grujic - tagged by them as this gem who would turn into an absolute bargain, so far hardly featured and looks absolutely nothing to get excited about, hardly makes their squad and they put 17yo bang average academy players ahead of him on it
Manninger - yeah...
Klavan - 31yo Estonian journeyman now starting for the greatest club in the world, how the standards have fallen, so good a player that Klopp actually preferred Lucas ahead of him until he was so brutally bummed by Vardy that he had to drop him
Wijnaldum - getting touted by them as world class now that he has put in a few


To pay for all this though they ended up absolutely gutting the depth of the squad, to the extent that when you look at their bench now it's shocking weak, also had to get rid of their performances at home, still not seen him do a bean away from home though which is the criticism levelled at him by the Barcode fans
Mane - very good signing, can't argue with that best cb - cos Klopp didn't like his attitude, got rid of their plan B in Benteke because he didn't fit Klopps pressing philosophy - which rather amusingly has shown to not work at teams that sit deep and deny them space - wonder if Benteke would have been handy against those types of teams...

Problem they now have going forward is that they have stripped the squad to the bare bones in terms of depth, they've loaned out Markovic (twice), Wisdom, Flannagan and Sahko to try to raise their prices for the future sale, but all besides Sahko have bombed on loan thus decreasing their value in reality (and Sahko due to Klopp will always be tagged as a problem player now - which will half his price when sold)

Besides for those, then they have nothing to sell besides players they don't want to leave - maybe a few fringe players like Stewart, Sturridge etc whose values won't exactly pay for what they need to bring in, ultimately they Have to sell one of their big name players in order to bring in anyone they want.
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Yeah, you are right. These are the sorts of players that i mean where at the time they are labelled as good signings before they have kicked a ball for them. Remember the summer of downing adam and the rest where they were buying British again and it would be the difference maker? All signed fairly early again and all ended up being terrible for them.

It is a weird thing because you have to suffer the talk of these players being great for a few months, they win the league with them etc Before you see them take stock and get the enjoyment out of them realising they haven't improved the squad yet again and the realisation that they sold to buy yet again, so turn on the owners as a result. I mean If they didn't have such a high profile manager as Klopp, would the fans be a bit more hostile towards the club currently? Many i know still have the mind set that Klopp is god and will be the difference maker in all of this despite the players.

the positive from it all for us at least is that we know they will never win the one thing they crave whilst they follow this model so no need to get edgy that they might just do it one year, and they have to settle for the title wins at november or the top at christmas trophies they are collecting.
 
Paul Bernard said:
Do you think that Liverpool are now doing a Everton of Moyes Era ?

Balancing the books unless selling a player or CL qualification ? It does make good business sense for a club owned by businessmen.
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This is why Klopp was perfect for them. A perceived big manager (He's basically a wacky German Brendan Rodgers in reality, with 1 plan), who said that he likes to develop players rather than buy the finished article. So when they refuse to pay out big money for players, and sell to buy, they can claim it is at Klopp's behest, rather than a plan by them to make money.
 
hallamblue said:
This is why Klopp was perfect for them. A perceived big manager (He's basically a wacky German Brendan Rodgers in reality, with 1 plan), who said that he likes to develop players rather than buy the finished article. So when they refuse to pay out big money for players, and sell to buy, they can claim it is at Klopp's behest, rather than a plan by them to make money.
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I do think that Klopp would find them some gems over his tenure, one thing that LFC don't understand is that a player valued at £10m automatically becomes £20m with LFC interest. Reason being the selling club know Liverpool will pay double the value because it makes them believe they are competing.
 
Paul Bernard said:
I do think that Klopp would find them some gems over his tenure, one thing that LFC don't understand is that a player valued at £10m automatically becomes £20m with LFC interest. Reason being the selling club know Liverpool will pay double the value because it makes them believe they are competing.
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They seem to be buying players for nothing, or 3 or 4 million. I think they'll buy more Germans over the summer, as they think Klopp can spot talent in Germany, and obviously they are way cheaper than young English talent. But not sure if that will work, how many German players have succeeded over here?
 

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