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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

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..the Reds played well in the first half, they are pleasing on the eye unless you are like me and want them to fail. They are super going forward. I just wonder if this concentration on them being useless at the back is totally the fault of the personnel playing there.

There's only really Henderson who sits in with any discipline and even he pops up around the opponents box. Last night, Robertson was like a winger. It leaves the two CBs very exposed when the opposition get possession. The Martinez CBs were often exploited by one long ball because Baines and Coleman were in no man's land.

Perhaps the system they play makes them wonderful in the top third and vulnerable at the back.
 
Hahahaha.....

Jurgen Klopp at Liverpool (October 2015-present)

Pld 108 W 54 D 31 L 23 Win % 50.0

Brendan Rodgers at Liverpool (June 2012-October 2015)

Pld 166 W 83 D 41 L 42 Win % 50.0

David Moyes at Manchester United (July 2013-April 2014)

Pld 51 W 27 D 9 L 15 Win % 52.94
 

..the Reds played well in the first half, they are pleasing on the eye unless you are like me and want them to fail. They are super going forward. I just wonder if this concentration on them being useless at the back is totally the fault of the personnel playing there.

There's only really Henderson who sits in with any discipline and even he pops up around the opponents box. Last night, Robertson was like a winger. It leaves the two CBs very exposed when the opposition get possession. The Martinez CBs were often exploited by one long ball because Baines and Coleman were in no man's land.

Perhaps the system they play makes them wonderful in the top third and vulnerable at the back.

It's the system, and this is what the media and Liverpool fans never understand. If any decent team in this league implemented an all out pressing style then they'd be good going forward without a doubt. Leicester did it for a season and won the league and are still a decent side by doing it. You get all your players to chase the ball high up the pitch then when you win it back you are immediately 3 v 2 or one on one. Liverpool under Rodgers did it brilliantly too. The advantages are that against teams who want possession but are poor with it (us, Arsenal) you can absolutely destroy them. Away from home too, you can get huge wins as teams tend to attack in front of their own fans. It also allows you to score a lot of goals without having world class attacking players.

The draw backs though are that even with world class defenders you'll never have a world class defence because they'll always get exposed. Liverpool fans will never accept this though, if they want to improve their defence their attack will suffer. Salah is not world class, neither is Firmino, they're nowhere near Aguero Kane Lukaku Hazard etc. Yet they're considered to be a great forward line because of that system they play. The problem comes in home games v teams who don't want to attack the system doesn't work then you get blunted (which happens loads to them) or against teams better at counter attacking than you (Leicester) you also get punished.

Their fans are partly to blame. If any manager tried to implement a balanced possession system that might take a few years to build up they'd be hounded out. Whenever Rodgers tried to do it they hated him for it. They just want gung ho. 'We've got the best attack in der league lads ha ha, we tore der blooz and der arse new ones, no one can live with our attack blah blah blah blah blah'. Yet every season they have a rubbish defence and can't beat Minnows at home.

It's basically like putting every man behind the ball and claiming you have a great defence that is only one class striker signing short of being the best team in the league. Going gung ho is undoubtedly more entertaining and gets you more media columns but the outcome is the same. Zero trophies. Maybe they should look at their last decent manager Rafael who actually built a good defence, strong midfield, and then good strikers, they were actually a top aide only second to a brilliant United team. All they did the entire time he was there though was moan that the football was too defensive.

They're just completely self absorbed as a club, they're wrapped up in their own media image and therefore demand a completely ridiculous stuff of football based on a ludicrous image of themselves just crushing everyone with free flowing football. They should remember that some of their best ever sides were actually unbelievably boring and that as a club they've never had a reputation for good football only for winning. The 'Liverpool way, pass and move' is actually a complete fabrication. They had overphysical sides with top defenders and paired these with great strikers. Maybe they should think about this when questioning why they've not won anything for ages; but that would require a level of introspection beyond most kopites.
 
It's the system, and this is what the media and Liverpool fans never understand. If any decent team in this league implemented an all out pressing style then they'd be good going forward without a doubt. Leicester did it for a season and won the league and are still a decent side by doing it. You get all your players to chase the ball high up the pitch then when you win it back you are immediately 3 v 2 or one on one. Liverpool under Rodgers did it brilliantly too. The advantages are that against teams who want possession but are poor with it (us, Arsenal) you can absolutely destroy them. Away from home too, you can get huge wins as teams tend to attack in front of their own fans. It also allows you to score a lot of goals without having world class attacking players.

The draw backs though are that even with world class defenders you'll never have a world class defence because they'll always get exposed. Liverpool fans will never accept this though, if they want to improve their defence their attack will suffer. Salah is not world class, neither is Firmino, they're nowhere near Aguero Kane Lukaku Hazard etc. Yet they're considered to be a great forward line because of that system they play. The problem comes in home games v teams who don't want to attack the system doesn't work then you get blunted (which happens loads to them) or against teams better at counter attacking than you (Leicester) you also get punished.

Their fans are partly to blame. If any manager tried to implement a balanced possession system that might take a few years to build up they'd be hounded out. Whenever Rodgers tried to do it they hated him for it. They just want gung ho. 'We've got the best attack in der league lads ha ha, we tore der blooz and der arse new ones, no one can live with our attack blah blah blah blah blah'. Yet every season they have a rubbish defence and can't beat Minnows at home.

It's basically like putting every man behind the ball and claiming you have a great defence that is only one class striker signing short of being the best team in the league. Going gung ho is undoubtedly more entertaining and gets you more media columns but the outcome is the same. Zero trophies. Maybe they should look at their last decent manager Rafael who actually built a good defence, strong midfield, and then good strikers, they were actually a top aide only second to a brilliant United team. All they did the entire time he was there though was moan that the football was too defensive.

They're just completely self absorbed as a club, they're wrapped up in their own media image and therefore demand a completely ridiculous stuff of football based on a ludicrous image of themselves just crushing everyone with free flowing football. They should remember that some of their best ever sides were actually unbelievably boring and that as a club they've never had a reputation for good football only for winning. The 'Liverpool way, pass and move' is actually a complete fabrication. They had overphysical sides with top defenders and paired these with great strikers. Maybe they should think about this when questioning why they've not won anything for ages; but that would require a level of introspection beyond most kopites.

...yep.
 
It's the system, and this is what the media and Liverpool fans never understand. If any decent team in this league implemented an all out pressing style then they'd be good going forward without a doubt. Leicester did it for a season and won the league and are still a decent side by doing it. You get all your players to chase the ball high up the pitch then when you win it back you are immediately 3 v 2 or one on one. Liverpool under Rodgers did it brilliantly too. The advantages are that against teams who want possession but are poor with it (us, Arsenal) you can absolutely destroy them. Away from home too, you can get huge wins as teams tend to attack in front of their own fans. It also allows you to score a lot of goals without having world class attacking players.

The draw backs though are that even with world class defenders you'll never have a world class defence because they'll always get exposed. Liverpool fans will never accept this though, if they want to improve their defence their attack will suffer. Salah is not world class, neither is Firmino, they're nowhere near Aguero Kane Lukaku Hazard etc. Yet they're considered to be a great forward line because of that system they play. The problem comes in home games v teams who don't want to attack the system doesn't work then you get blunted (which happens loads to them) or against teams better at counter attacking than you (Leicester) you also get punished.

Their fans are partly to blame. If any manager tried to implement a balanced possession system that might take a few years to build up they'd be hounded out. Whenever Rodgers tried to do it they hated him for it. They just want gung ho. 'We've got the best attack in der league lads ha ha, we tore der blooz and der arse new ones, no one can live with our attack blah blah blah blah blah'. Yet every season they have a rubbish defence and can't beat Minnows at home.

It's basically like putting every man behind the ball and claiming you have a great defence that is only one class striker signing short of being the best team in the league. Going gung ho is undoubtedly more entertaining and gets you more media columns but the outcome is the same. Zero trophies. Maybe they should look at their last decent manager Rafael who actually built a good defence, strong midfield, and then good strikers, they were actually a top aide only second to a brilliant United team. All they did the entire time he was there though was moan that the football was too defensive.

They're just completely self absorbed as a club, they're wrapped up in their own media image and therefore demand a completely ridiculous stuff of football based on a ludicrous image of themselves just crushing everyone with free flowing football. They should remember that some of their best ever sides were actually unbelievably boring and that as a club they've never had a reputation for good football only for winning. The 'Liverpool way, pass and move' is actually a complete fabrication. They had overphysical sides with top defenders and paired these with great strikers. Maybe they should think about this when questioning why they've not won anything for ages; but that would require a level of introspection beyond most kopites.
the longer they go without a title the bigger the myth about their supposed total football back then, the new back pass rule really did kill them.
 
..the Reds played well in the first half, they are pleasing on the eye unless you are like me and want them to fail. They are super going forward. I just wonder if this concentration on them being useless at the back is totally the fault of the personnel playing there.

There's only really Henderson who sits in with any discipline and even he pops up around the opponents box. Last night, Robertson was like a winger. It leaves the two CBs very exposed when the opposition get possession. The Martinez CBs were often exploited by one long ball because Baines and Coleman were in no man's land.

Perhaps the system they play makes them wonderful in the top third and vulnerable at the back.
Mate, I'm not sure if I'm impressed or perplexed by this. I don't watch the RS unless it's against us, though was prepared to watch MOTD highlights against City the other week. Somebody told me once that if you watch them too much they send evil waves through the tv to suck you in to being a Red , he was Norwegian so must be true. I couldn't name a starting line up for them , though inevitably a few players names stand out from publicity , highlights etc and in fairness that Ian Rush is a good player, though haven't seen his name at the top of the goalscorer list recently.
 

It's the system, and this is what the media and Liverpool fans never understand. If any decent team in this league implemented an all out pressing style then they'd be good going forward without a doubt. Leicester did it for a season and won the league and are still a decent side by doing it. You get all your players to chase the ball high up the pitch then when you win it back you are immediately 3 v 2 or one on one. Liverpool under Rodgers did it brilliantly too. The advantages are that against teams who want possession but are poor with it (us, Arsenal) you can absolutely destroy them. Away from home too, you can get huge wins as teams tend to attack in front of their own fans. It also allows you to score a lot of goals without having world class attacking players.

The draw backs though are that even with world class defenders you'll never have a world class defence because they'll always get exposed. Liverpool fans will never accept this though, if they want to improve their defence their attack will suffer. Salah is not world class, neither is Firmino, they're nowhere near Aguero Kane Lukaku Hazard etc. Yet they're considered to be a great forward line because of that system they play. The problem comes in home games v teams who don't want to attack the system doesn't work then you get blunted (which happens loads to them) or against teams better at counter attacking than you (Leicester) you also get punished.

Their fans are partly to blame. If any manager tried to implement a balanced possession system that might take a few years to build up they'd be hounded out. Whenever Rodgers tried to do it they hated him for it. They just want gung ho. 'We've got the best attack in der league lads ha ha, we tore der blooz and der arse new ones, no one can live with our attack blah blah blah blah blah'. Yet every season they have a rubbish defence and can't beat Minnows at home.

It's basically like putting every man behind the ball and claiming you have a great defence that is only one class striker signing short of being the best team in the league. Going gung ho is undoubtedly more entertaining and gets you more media columns but the outcome is the same. Zero trophies. Maybe they should look at their last decent manager Rafael who actually built a good defence, strong midfield, and then good strikers, they were actually a top aide only second to a brilliant United team. All they did the entire time he was there though was moan that the football was too defensive.

They're just completely self absorbed as a club, they're wrapped up in their own media image and therefore demand a completely ridiculous stuff of football based on a ludicrous image of themselves just crushing everyone with free flowing football. They should remember that some of their best ever sides were actually unbelievably boring and that as a club they've never had a reputation for good football only for winning. The 'Liverpool way, pass and move' is actually a complete fabrication. They had overphysical sides with top defenders and paired these with great strikers. Maybe they should think about this when questioning why they've not won anything for ages; but that would require a level of introspection beyond most kopites.
Yep, and any decent Manager knows just how to play against them
 
It's the system, and this is what the media and Liverpool fans never understand. If any decent team in this league implemented an all out pressing style then they'd be good going forward without a doubt. Leicester did it for a season and won the league and are still a decent side by doing it. You get all your players to chase the ball high up the pitch then when you win it back you are immediately 3 v 2 or one on one. Liverpool under Rodgers did it brilliantly too. The advantages are that against teams who want possession but are poor with it (us, Arsenal) you can absolutely destroy them. Away from home too, you can get huge wins as teams tend to attack in front of their own fans. It also allows you to score a lot of goals without having world class attacking players.

The draw backs though are that even with world class defenders you'll never have a world class defence because they'll always get exposed. Liverpool fans will never accept this though, if they want to improve their defence their attack will suffer. Salah is not world class, neither is Firmino, they're nowhere near Aguero Kane Lukaku Hazard etc. Yet they're considered to be a great forward line because of that system they play. The problem comes in home games v teams who don't want to attack the system doesn't work then you get blunted (which happens loads to them) or against teams better at counter attacking than you (Leicester) you also get punished.

Their fans are partly to blame. If any manager tried to implement a balanced possession system that might take a few years to build up they'd be hounded out. Whenever Rodgers tried to do it they hated him for it. They just want gung ho. 'We've got the best attack in der league lads ha ha, we tore der blooz and der arse new ones, no one can live with our attack blah blah blah blah blah'. Yet every season they have a rubbish defence and can't beat Minnows at home.

It's basically like putting every man behind the ball and claiming you have a great defence that is only one class striker signing short of being the best team in the league. Going gung ho is undoubtedly more entertaining and gets you more media columns but the outcome is the same. Zero trophies. Maybe they should look at their last decent manager Rafael who actually built a good defence, strong midfield, and then good strikers, they were actually a top aide only second to a brilliant United team. All they did the entire time he was there though was moan that the football was too defensive.

They're just completely self absorbed as a club, they're wrapped up in their own media image and therefore demand a completely ridiculous stuff of football based on a ludicrous image of themselves just crushing everyone with free flowing football. They should remember that some of their best ever sides were actually unbelievably boring and that as a club they've never had a reputation for good football only for winning. The 'Liverpool way, pass and move' is actually a complete fabrication. They had overphysical sides with top defenders and paired these with great strikers. Maybe they should think about this when questioning why they've not won anything for ages; but that would require a level of introspection beyond most kopites.
Thanks for that , an interesting analysis , do feel for you guys though , the amount of "red watching" you'd have to do to get that perspective.
 
Thanks for that , an interesting analysis , do feel for you guys though , the amount of "red watching" you'd have to do to get that perspective.

Not really, it's blindingly obvious. They play exactly the same way nearly every season since Rafael left and make the same mistakes. Any manager who has tried differently has either been hounded out or forced to revert back to this.
 

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