ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC"

[PhilM]

the club pays for policing. Certain games that are high risk need extra police and stewarding and it’s been that way for years. The derby yesterday is an example with matrix vans still sitting on county road til after 8pm . That’s not a regular thing for every game is it ? Oh and the police love a bit of football overtime so don’t be so naive.

They pay some of the bill, which is agreed prior to the season so additional numbers is not something that'll automatically paid for by the club.

The belief that clubs pay all their bills is a complete and utter fallacy. Just look at the issues down in the Met, where clubs contribute much less.

 

[Harryflashman]

They pay some of the bill, which is agreed prior to the season so additional numbers is not something that'll automatically paid for by the club.

The belief that clubs pay all their bills is a complete and utter fallacy. Just look at the issues down in the Met, where clubs contribute much less.

Didn’t Wigan refuse to pay for ages under Whelan years ago ?

 

[FC sexy xxx]

They pay some of the bill, which is agreed prior to the season so additional numbers is not something that'll automatically paid for by the club.

The belief that clubs pay all their bills is a complete and utter fallacy. Just look at the issues down in the Met, where clubs contribute much less.

if the police were arsed the extra policing would of been in place. It’s that simple . The fact is Liverpool Fc and the police didn’t take the situation serious enough . Yet they happily had 4 matrix vans sitting on county road monitoring the oak , the brick and Wetherspoons . They weren’t arsed about the coach gathering .

And BTW the club do have to find £££ for extra policing if they don’t agree Merseyside police can stop it going ahead .

The money Liverpool made in the club shop on the day of the game alone would of covered extra police and security ffs .

 

[FC sexy xxx]

Didn’t Wigan refuse to pay for ages under Whelan years ago ?

yes and west ham refused to pay for police this season until that situation in the ground v Burnley.

 

[Jacob]

It's far from acceptable; yet as @Del-boy mentioned, quite simply with the numbers present vs. numbers of police it's nigh on impossible to act.

If the officers present were to go and arrest one of the flare holders, then it would pull at least two off their actual role of protecting the route.

While I'm not saying it's correct, the more sensible option is reviewing CCTV and hopefully they'll be subsequently dealt with - locked up or banned.

The only other option is to go with much larger number of officers, potentially in riot gear, and drag them out, which will be heavily frowned upon.

To be honest, I don't think the whole scenario will happen again full stop. The main issue is that the attacks on the coach were facilitated via the cover of the smoke and CCTV would be virtually ineffective in identifying those involved in attacking the bus. Even Jurgen Klopp has said that the welcoming shouldn't happen again but if it should happen, the Police will come down heavily on those involved whether its frowned upon or not.

 

[PhilM]

if the police were arsed the extra policing would of been in place. It’s that simple . The fact is Liverpool Fc and the police didn’t take the situation serious enough . Yet they happily had 4 matrix vans sitting on county road monitoring the oak , the brick and Wetherspoons . They weren’t arsed about the coach gathering .

And BTW the club do have to find £££ for extra policing if they don’t agree Merseyside police can stop it going ahead .

The money Liverpool made in the club shop on the day of the game alone would of covered extra police and security ffs .

Yes they can, however realistically (we're not talking about hypothetical dream land here) that is not something that's likely to happen at all.

Like I said, the agreed cost for policing is primarily agreed prior to the season, and while top-up payments are negotiable it's not that simple.

Legislation means that a force can only require clubs to pay for policing inside the ground or on their land - everything else is based on goodwill.

If a match requires additional policing then in most cases a relatively large proportion of the bill is paid for out of police budgets and not the clubs.

As @Harryflashman said, there's been issues in the past at clubs where the Police ended up footing a lot of the bill. London clubs pay MUCH less!

yes and west ham refused to pay for police this season until that situation in the ground v Burnley.

Well, that's not entirely true now is it:

• Firstly, it was initially because West Ham refused to pay for Airwave to be installed in the stadium and LDC wouldn't either.
• LDC, who are responsible for the policing bills and not West Ham, refused to pay and instead went for a cheaper alternative of stewards.

West Ham only forked out for Policing in the ground, which was actually CoL and not the MET, because the FA are going to take them to the cleaners!

 

[LEONARD]

Some Manc idiot will probably lob a paper cup at the RS coach.

Cue meltdown from those 'lovable' koppite's, and the red Echo screaming for the return of the death penalty.

 

[FC sexy xxx]

Yes they can, however realistically (we're not talking about hypothetical dream land here) that is not something that's likely to happen at all.

Like I said, the agreed cost for policing is primarily agreed prior to the season, and while top-up payments are negotiable it's not that simple.

Legislation means that a force can only require clubs to pay for policing inside the ground or on their land - everything else is based on goodwill.

If a match requires additional policing then in most cases a relatively large proportion of the bill is paid for out of police budgets and not the clubs.


Well, that's not entirely true now is it:

• Firstly, it was initially because West Ham refused to pay for Airwave to be installed in the stadium and LDC wouldn't either.
• LDC, who are responsible for the policing bills and not West Ham, refused to pay and instead went for a cheaper alternative of stewards

No point arguing with you tbh because you simply won’t have it that if extra policing is deemed necessary then they will be provided . I can give loads of examples but what’s the point ?
Best leave it there


ANd regards West Ham I know it’s the LDC but the point still stands that they refused the policing option until last week when they had no other option after the protests in the ground

 

[PhilM]

No point arguing with you tbh because you simply won’t have it that if extra policing is deemed necessary then they will be provided . I can give loads of examples but what’s the point ?
Best leave it there

That's not my point at all, which you're clearly missing. If extra policing is required, like Wednesday, then it's provided. Numbers were up on Wed!

However, the additional resources allocated have to be paid for and this does not automatically mean the club will pay for it; in fact, they don't.

The club will contribute some of the extra cost, like they do for the usual cost of policing a game, but believe me it is not all of the cost - my point.

So, it's not like hundreds of extra officers can be put on duty as a) where are they coming from? and b) this takes money from other areas.

The real issue is that the Merpol did not expect violence on Wednesday and even with the additional numbers, couldn't really then stop it happening.

With hindsight, futher numbers may have been able to prevent it, but to believe that the RS would have agreed to pay for this beforehand is naive.

So it's a balancing act - bump up the numbers significantly but Merseyside then foots the bill or go with a more balanced approach.

And with regards to West Ham, I don't get your point - they refused to pay for policing so there wasn't any, but the games still went ahead?

 

[Del-boy]

the club pays for policing. Certain games that are high risk need extra police and stewarding and it’s been that way for years. The derby yesterday is an example with matrix vans still sitting on county road til after 8pm . That’s not a regular thing for every game is it ? Oh and the police love a bit of football overtime so don’t be so naive.

The clubs pay a certain levy for policing which is agreed per game, depending on the risk.

If the risk is increased the club may not agree with it and it will fall to the police to cover what extra is needed. It is there job after all to maintain public order.

The police who work at the match volunteer to do so on their days off. Now you have the city game, the derby and the National over three days next week.

Where do you think the police are getting the staff from? Should cancel rest days for officers for two weeks straight? I’m sure the police officers would love that wouldn’t they...

 

[FC sexy xxx]

The clubs pay a certain levy for policing which is agreed per game, depending on the risk.

If the risk is increased the club may not agree with it and it will fall to the police to cover what extra is needed. It is there job after all to maintain public order.

The police who work at the match volunteer to do so on their days off. Now you have the city game, the derby and the National over three days next week.

Where do you think the police are getting the staff from? Should cancel rest days for officers for two weeks straight? I’m sure the police officers would love that wouldn’t they...

Police love overtime mate . I mean they aren’t exactly well paid and I’m sure they wouldn’t be that bothered going into work on a Wednesday night like for extra money .

 

[toffeejack]

They must be happy with their point yesterday, no mention of us singing about Hillsborough or crushing gestures yet.

Course they're happy, brought that right back on for a striker yesterday to scrape a draw.

 

[Sarnia Kevin]

The mere fact that the near riot on Wednesday was telegraphed well in advance (and the police do famously monitor social media) should have ensured that the police were ready for what happened. And of course LFC and their fans are suitably ashamed (lollollollol) and will ensure that nothing like this ever happens again (pull the other one ).

 

[macdog]

Just taser any kopite within 100 metres of the opposing team's bus.

 

[KaiserEFC]

Police love overtime mate . I mean they aren’t exactly well paid and I’m sure they wouldn’t be that bothered going into work on a Wednesday night like for extra money .

Except they work a god awful rota (particularly the Met), it’s a very antisocial job, they can’t work where they live and there’s limits to how much they can work in a week?

But yeah I’m sure they’d rather deal with a few thousand drunk knobheads than spend time with their families/selves.