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2022/23 Ellis Simms

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On loan at Hearts last season could see he was nowhere near prem standard. His hold up play is one of the weakest ares of his game, touch is poor, isn’t great in the air for the size of him and isn’t a real physical type. He’s good with balls played over the top to run on to, good in the box and if he’s getting chances created for him is a good (but not amazing) finisher.

Lawrence Shankland is a far better player and nobody would want him leading the line for us.

He isn’t going to be suited to the lone striker role having to occupy 2 centre backs with the ball being hoofed up to him. Shame really as Maupay is equally unsuited and Dominic Calvert-Lewin is crocked. We don’t really have a forward suited to Dycheball, he probably had better options as Burnley manager ?
One day we'll play football where the striker can just score goals and impact the final third without having to worry about whether or not he can fight two CBs at once 70 yards from goal. I swear it'll happen one day.
 
I think there was a few reasons he started Simms over Maupay.

1) He's closer to Dominic Calvert-Lewin stylistically
2) Judging off what we saw in the Arsenal game, I don't think Dyche was best pleased with Maupay. He roared at him on a number of occasions, including when he had a mad pot shot from 35 yards rather than keeping the ball.
3) Slight shot to nothing + give the lad a potential confidence boost because we need the numbers

I worry about Maupay. He's similar to the lad Vydra that Dyche had at Burnley. A decent foil, but can't lead the line. Could work well with Dominic Calvert-Lewin but can't see us going for him and Simms. You're giving up two positions for players who probably aren't up to it.
It's literally because Dyche has no tactics that don't involve smashing it at the strikers head 20+ times and Simms is 6'3 while Maupay is 5'9. Nothing more to complicate it. Literally just picked the taller lad.
 
Lawrence Shankland is a far better player and nobody would want him leading the line for us.
Actually, I would, given the present options and DCL's endless cycle of injuries. Shankland puts himself about, can hold the ball up, and knows where the goal is - he's the sort of player we should have got on a cheap/low-risk deal had we been at all organised in January, and it wouldn't have hurt to give him a go.

What I was most disappointed with re: Simms last night was his play without the ball - that he got virtually no service isn't his fault, but he did nothing to pull defenders out of position, and he really should have given that iffy back line a bit more to think about.
 
It's literally because Dyche has no tactics that don't involve smashing it at the strikers head 20+ times and Simms is 6'3 while Maupay is 5'9. Nothing more to complicate it. Literally just picked the taller lad.
Have any of our managers of late beyond Carlo? It's also because we also desperately lack creativity
 

One day we'll play football where the striker can just score goals and impact the final third without having to worry about whether or not he can fight two CBs at once 70 yards from goal. I swear it'll happen one day.
To be fair there’s not many teams where all you have to do is score goals. Whether it’s hold up play, link up play, off the ball movement to pull people out of position or terrifying pace that affects the oppositions tactics, pretty much every team in the world needs their striker to do more than just wait around the box waiting for a chance.
 
To be fair there’s not many teams where all you have to do is score goals. Whether it’s hold up play, link up play, off the ball movement to pull people out of position or terrifying pace that affects the oppositions tactics, pretty much every team in the world needs their striker to do more than just wait around the box waiting for a chance.
All of that with the exception of hold up play is done mostly in the final third though. "Score goals and impact the final third."

We focus on what our strikers do 70 yards from goal. Has anyone discussed Simms play in and around the box? No because he didn't get to do any of it. That's the problem.
 
It's literally because Dyche has no tactics that don't involve smashing it at the strikers head 20+ times and Simms is 6'3 while Maupay is 5'9. Nothing more to complicate it. Literally just picked the taller lad.
Don’t agree with you here…. Burnley could play football……
but they’d fight and foremost…..
 
All of that with the exception of hold up play is done mostly in the final third though. "Score goals and impact the final third."

We focus on what our strikers do 70 yards from goal. Has anyone discussed Simms play in and around the box? No because he didn't get to do any of it. That's the problem.
Obviously. We don’t create chances, this is hardly an earth shattering revelation is it? Not for the first time today I feel the need to remind you that we play in the real world, not an ideal one. It would be great if we didn’t need a striker to put a shift in and unsettle defences, but the reality is we do at the moment, and so players will be judged on their ability to do that.
 
Obviously. We don’t create chances, this is hardly an earth shattering revelation is it? Not for the first time today I feel the need to remind you that we play in the real world, not an ideal one. It would be great if we didn’t need a striker to put a shift in and unsettle defences, but the reality is we do at the moment, and so players will be judged on their ability to do that.
In the real world we should be trying to improve in these areas but have found it acceptable to hire managers who will not do this.

A lot of people think we have to play this way it seems and that is just not true.
 

In the real world we should be trying to improve in these areas but have found it acceptable to hire managers who will not do this.

A lot of people think we have to play this way it seems and that is just not true.
I honestly think you’re just misunderstanding it. My point earlier was that if simms had electric pace, or had the ability to dribble past people, or could find pockets of space where he could link the play or anything like that then we wouldn’t need him to hold the ball up, we could play in a way that utilised what he’s got. The problem is he can’t do any of those things either. We’re not obsessed with having people who can hold the ball up, it’s just the ‘easiest’ thing to ask someone to do when everyone’s crap. Again, in an ideal world everyone wouldn’t be crap and we could ping the ball round creating all sorts of chances for a fluid front 3, but we are blatantly not capable of doing that and so are trying to play in a way that gets the most out of the extremely meagre options we have. Pretty much everyone else understands this.
 
I honestly think you’re just misunderstanding it. My point earlier was that if simms had electric pace, or had the ability to dribble past people, or could find pockets of space where he could link the play or anything like that then we wouldn’t need him to hold the ball up, we could play in a way that utilised what he’s got. The problem is he can’t do any of those things either. We’re not obsessed with having people who can hold the ball up, it’s just the ‘easiest’ thing to ask someone to do when everyone’s crap. Again, in an ideal world everyone wouldn’t be crap and we could ping the ball round creating all sorts of chances for a fluid front 3, but we are blatantly not capable of doing that and so are trying to play in a way that gets the most out of the extremely meagre options we have. Pretty much everyone else understands this.
I don't think you can see any of those attributes from a center forward with how we're playing it. Lewandowski and Haaland would also be left with just hold up play. You can't find pockets of space in and around the box when the ball isn't in and around the box. And with the exception of Messi I've never seen a center forward who can be the one getting the ball to those areas and also finding the spaces.

He's in a hopeless position so he's left with holding it up. This isn't all about players. Onana, Iwobi, Gana and even Doucoure are competent enough individually that a real manager could create a competitive set up, even at Anfield. And in such a situation Simms might show one of the things you've listed. He's never going to under Dyche or Frank. Coaching matters.
 

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