England Under 21 Euro 2015 Thread

[sageyefc]

Nauer is top of them all.

But you can't say he's not on par with De Gea or Courtois.

If fact, you'd fine more evidence of Hart pulling off saves against world class opposition players than both keepers.

Hes nowhere near coutois or degeas level. He has too many mistakes in him and doesnt win his team as many points a season like them 2 do

 

[rascal]

I certainly wouldn't have Hart in my team if I had a choice between him, De Gea or Courtois. Of course, I wouldn't have any of them ahead of Neuer.

 

[Billy Dean]

Still think we're on the right track, or hope maybe. 1st time an u21 team has attempted to play joined up football and they played some nice stuff at times to be fair.

 

[sageyefc]

Heres a crazy idea, if the english national sides want to play like european sides, instead of hiring a british coach who thinks they can teach that style, try employing an actual foreigner who's grown up learning it and can actually have a team that play what they want

 

[kenada_blue]

Hes nowhere near coutois or degeas level. He has too many mistakes in him and doesnt win his team as many points a season like them 2 do

Mmmmm But he does. See his trophy cabinet. Its got more than both them keepers. Plenty of examples of him winning them points each season.

 

[Jxg]

Heres a crazy idea, if the english national sides want to play like european sides, instead of hiring a british coach who thinks they can teach that style, try employing an actual foreigner who's grown up learning it and can actually have a team that play what they want

 

[sageyefc]

Mmmmm But he does. See his trophy cabinet. Its got more than both them keepers. Plenty of examples of him winning them points each season.

So all them trophies are directly because of him?

Massively Overrated. Has several mistakes in him a season, poor distribuition and absolutely no way in hell has he won his team more points then what them two have, especially De Gea who's arguably the best keeper in the league

 

[sageyefc]

He was never known for the type of football his teams played

 

[LinekersLegs]

Good lord I still gave flashbacks to how bad England were under him

 

[Neiler]

I don't think England are very good at football if I'm honest.

What doesn't help is the old pals act of management appointment.

Coping strategy is to blame them damn foreigners.

 

[marty mcfly]

Still think we're on the right track, or hope maybe. 1st time an u21 team has attempted to play joined up football and they played some nice stuff at times to be fair.

It goes to show that to play that way you can't have a weak link in the the team because they all have to "join up".

That's what our problem last season was too. When it went in to players like Naismith or McGeady they turned the ball over too cheaply.

England's midfield was shocking. Truly truly awful. Their defence wasn't much better and even Stones' had a 'mare.

Kane was the only player that looked an actual quality prospect - I'm not surprised he started shooting on sight, he couldn't trust if he passed to a teammate he would get it back.

Ings isn't good enough for Liverpool. I didn't see much of him last season but he's got no pace and his touch isn't great. I'm glad we didn't go for him.

 

[marty mcfly]

I don't think England are very good at football if I'm honest.

What doesn't help is the old pals act of management appointment.

Coping strategy is to blame them damn foreigners.

I wouldn't say that.

Put Wilshere, Barkley and Sterling into that team and they would have won the tournament or at least had a shot. The reality is that apart from Rooney there was a very lean time between Beckham's generation and the current U21s which has meant most of the good ones are playing in the senior side. I honestly don't know if it's a good thing or bad thing for their future development.

 

[Neiler]

I wouldn't say that.

Put Wilshere, Barkley and Sterling into that team and they would have won the tournament or at least had a shot. The reality is that apart from Rooney there was a very lean time between Beckham's generation and the current U21s which has meant most of the good ones are playing in the senior side. I honestly don't know if it's a good thing or bad thing for their future development.

Wasn't that the Goldon generation mate: Lampard, Terry, Ferdinand, Gerrard, Rooney etc.

Don't know mate tournament after tournament England fail, at what point do you draw the conclusion that football maybe isn't a strength.

 

[marty mcfly]

....Brian Clough won a couple of European Cups with players not all of who were regarded as top quality. A lot is about strategy, attitude and organisation as well as quality. Unfortunately we lack in all aspects.

You can't compare International management to club management. Totally different mindsets and time with the players.

Ultimately England's players aren't good enough. They always have one or two, sometimes 4 to 6 but there's always one or two weak links and that gets exposed.

The overall standard in countries like Italy, Spain and Germany etc is much higher.

 

[marty mcfly]

Wasn't that the Goldon generation mate: Lampard, Terry, Ferdinand, Gerrard, Rooney etc.

Don't know mate tournament after tournament England fail, at what point do you draw the conclusion that football maybe isn't a strength.

They're all top class players that have won the very highest prizes in club football. The issue is there's always been a weak link , normally it's because England lack as Martinez says someone who is the creative lock picker. England doesn't produce a David Silva type player or if they do then they aren't very good like Lallanna or Joe Cole.

Without them teams are impotent especially against the top teams.