EST Safe Standing Survey Results

[joey_macmo]

I don't need to show how standing played a fundamental role in the Hillsborough disaster because the Lord Justice Taylor has already done so in his rather comprehensive two reports that were published over 20 years ago, the second of which advised the government to prohibit standing at all major football matches in England as a safety measure in response to the disaster. If standing played no role whatsoever, then it wouldn't have been prohibited, but it was, and it's going to stay prohibited because people consider it to be unsafe, no matter how much people choose to whinge about it.

Quite from the Taylor report

“standing accommodation is not intrinsically unsafe”.

Once again your lack of reading on the subject is evident.

The Taylor report backs up the point the basic act of standing isn't dangerous.

 

[joey_macmo]

Maybe you should show these uneducated people all of the empirical studies which show that rail seating never results in an increase in capacity, and that it is an unequivocally safer option than allocated seating?

You've made Incorrect uneducated assumptions about the Taylor report & refusing to budge on your opinion.


Thanks for proving my points once again.

 

[Lee Smith]

Quite from the Taylor report




Once again your lack of reading on the subject is evident.

The Taylor report backs up the point the basic act of standing isn't dangerous.

Research and referenced facts have no place on the internet!

 

[EveBlue]

Rail seats can result in an increase in capacity, I think at Dortmund it's 1.5 multiple, in the upper portion of the yellow wall. Quite simply though this is certainly a lot less dangerous than standing up, even if just temporary, at the top of any teams big stand where it's practically vertical. Just like we have also

 

[EveBlue]

It also scares the life out of me that we will move to a new stadium and we will have an atmosphere like arsenal. Even goodison is like a library at times. We need standing to maintain a core strong support area as part of the move

 

[TheFinnFan]

It also scares the life out of me that we will move to a new stadium and we will have an atmosphere like arsenal. Even goodison is like a library at times. We need standing to maintain a core strong support area as part of the move

Arsenal fans atm are demanding singing section for atmosphere improvement but they havent been given that

 

[GrandOldTeam]

English football fans who had hoped Premier League and Championship clubs were close to a deal on allowing safe standing at their grounds have suffered a blow.

The UK government has now said in the Department for Culture, Media and Sport’s (DCMS) ‘Sporting Future: A New Strategy for an Active Nation’ report that it “remains unconvinced” by the case to reintroduce safe standing at grounds.

More: http://www.psam.uk.com/setback-for-return-to-safe-standing-at-football-stadia

 

[The Cowboy]

Arsenal fans atm are demanding singing section for atmosphere improvement but they havent been given that

How did you demand a singing section? Surely they can just organise that themselves on a forum, get everyone to buy season tickets in the same place.

 

[TheFinnFan]

How did you demand a singing section? Surely they can just organise that themselves on a forum, get everyone to buy season tickets in the same place.

Dunno...it's not that simple I quess...but Thats what has been said...fans want it but club doesnt support that

 

[Eggs]

...and the result is news in Bradford;

http://www.bcst.co.uk/news/4593189638/Evertonians-overwhelmingly-back-safe-standing/11097999

 

[Dymak]

Quite from the Taylor report




Once again your lack of reading on the subject is evident.

The Taylor report backs up the point the basic act of standing isn't dangerous.

Jesus man, have you really just taken a single sentence out of two massive reports in the belief that it proves that standing at football matches is unequivocally safe? I see that he needed to make use of the word 'intrinsically', because he was well aware that if you add narrow streets, tens of thousands of people, and human factors into the equation, then it can prove to be fatal.

 

[Dymak]

You've made Incorrect uneducated assumptions about the Taylor report & refusing to budge on your opinion.


Thanks for proving my points once again.

Is this the Taylor report that advised the government to eradicate standing at major football grounds in England as a safety measure? It is, isn't it? You haven't even proved your point, let alone me. I've asked you to provide evidence that proves that rail seating never leads to an increase capacity and that it is unequivocally safer than the seating that all major football clubs are now obliged to provide following the Taylor report, and you haven't been able to do so.

 

[Dymak]

Research and referenced facts have no place on the internet!

I'm sorry mate, but I think YOU need to read the Taylor reports, same goes for anyone who liked that post.

 

[joey_macmo]

Jesus man, have you really just taken a single sentence out of two massive reports in the belief that it proves that standing at football matches is unequivocally safe? I see that he needed to make use of the word 'intrinsically', because he was well aware that if you add narrow streets, tens of thousands of people, and human factors into the equation, then it can prove to be fatal.

Yes because that's been the point from the start hasn't it, the act of standing isn't the problem. You're proving the point perfectly.

You've still yet to provide a single piece of evidence to the contrary and it's been over a week now.

 

[joey_macmo]

Is this the Taylor report that advised the government to eradicate standing at major football grounds in England as a safety measure? It is, isn't it? You haven't even proved your point, let alone me. I've asked you to provide evidence that proves that rail seating never leads to an increase capacity and that it is unequivocally safer than the seating that all major football clubs are now obliged to provide following the Taylor report, and you haven't been able to do so.

You made the original claim, you've cited a report that contradicts your claim & you've still yet to provide evidence to back up your point

It is naive bordering on ignorant to say that the Hillsborough disaster had nothing to do with standing up,

Again how did standing up rather than seating affect Hillsborough.

To me it's logical that if you put the same amount of people in that pen with seating taking up space as well then it would have been even worse but I don't have evidence for that admittedly.

Unreserved tickets with high fences and an open gate were the problem. None of which have anything to do with the act of standing and none of which are present in modern day stadia including rail seating sections.