Euro2020 Knock Out Rounds

[Kurt.]

 

[Wolf8312]

i agree with you regarding assange but that's a bit of a tangent no?

Yeah but honestly, my main point was really: disregard every word these lying hypocrites print!

Their entire new left/right agenda is one big distraction from honest-to-god important issues like the one raised above.

It's the media, not people like me (I try to avoid it if I can help it) who keep bringing (identity) politics into football!

 

[Barnfred 55]

If Southgate used the war as motivation to repel Germany what is he going to do for the final?

If you know your history Gareth veni vidi vici.

I think the important thing here is context. People need to read the actual article from the Telegraph before jumping on the bandwagon.

I'm not the biggest fan of Southgate as England manager. He is in some ways like Deschamps and France, who tends to get results but is too negative, and should really be pulling up trees with the talent he has at his disposal. A personal view by the way and one that can't be proved or disproved until somebody else takes over as manager.

But there is no doubting the quality of the man and his standards, morals and ethics. A bit more detail from that article and you'll quickly realise that he has been misrepresented in that tweet, and to a lesser extent in the article itself.

 

[chicoazul]

You still banging on about Wales Taffy?

Please don’t banter me crusader

 

[Shevin Keedy]

Love is stronger than hate.

Hopefully a true message.

 

[MikeH72]

Hopefully a true message.

Message a hope of true.

 

[Shevin Keedy]

Country Music:Sweet Caroline-Neil Diamond Lyrics and Chords

Country Music: Sweet Caroline-Neil Diamond lyrics and chords

www.traditionalmusic.co.uk

In this post(ish) covid world, them lyrics are pretty much on the money.

 

[PITA]

So many so called Evertonians happy to fall behind the scouse not English banner that does the rounds for uber red scousers on twitter ect.
Thought we were so diffrent from them ,sadly looks like I am wrong .
Fancy any Real blue scouser's letting the kopite bastards set the tone, ashamed of the lot of you.
Blue might be your colour but your red in the head.
As for the tory team , Rashford and at least 2 others to my knowledge have recieved awards for there charity work and in Rashford's case held the government to task ,hardly a tory .
Come on England.
Ps yid4life is sound get off his case.

Quality post

 

[Barnfred 55]

“People have tried to invade us and we’ve had the courage to hold that back”

...yeah, unlike the many colonised peoples who couldn't hold a murderous British Empire off, eh Gareth?

This feller's grasp of history is appalling.

He really should keep his daft 'kin trap shut if he cant speak with authority.


He is now trying to ride two horses at once: keeping the 'progressive' following he's (somehow) garnered and looking to attract the support of the Right so he straddles some phoney culture wars on his way to being co-opted by the Establishment.

A place in the House of Lords beckons as a Liberal Democrat peer.

That's an utter load of tosh Dave. You need to read more of the article to get some context to what he said. He was obviously asked a question about something like the "blitz mentality" of the Wembley crowd in the Germany game, and he admitted truthfully that it was a factor. But the phrase within the tweet "you can't hide that some of the energy created was due to that" is a clear indication that he was uncomfortable with it. And he stressed that he had not discussed this aspect with his players so he wasn't using it in any motivational way.

A lot of the interview was about inclusivity and he even referred to this group of players as representing the "new England". I certainly formed the impression that he would never in a million years have brought up the subject if he wasn't asked and thought he handled it quite diplomatically.

But the Telegraph probably gave it more relevance than it was due in their article (as you would expect from that newspaper) an then some nobhead on twitter decided to pick up on it and more nobheads decided to jump on the bandwagon.

Gareth Southgate may not be a good football manager, but he is a good man with good values. He doesn't deserve the utter crap you've written above being said about him. You really are a very spiteful man Dave.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Great bunch of lads

A night to forget: among the English fans that embarrass their country

Our correspondent donned red to cheer Denmark at Wembley stadium. For that he got middle fingers, mimed masturbation, then a punch

www.economist.com

Not read the article as it was pay for view. But I could imagine that, being an under cover reporter, he most likely went out of his way looking for trouble, otherwise there would be no story to write.

Every country and every football club has their share of thugs that follow them. It's a sad fact. But I have to say that most of the clips I've seen of the fans, in and outside of Wembley, have been extremely diverse. Families, couples, multi racial and cultural. I really think this England team is encouraging inclusivity in a way we've never seen before.

 

[The binman chronicles]

That's an utter load of tosh Dave. You need to read more of the article to get some context to what he said. He was obviously asked a question about something like the "blitz mentality" of the Wembley crowd in the Germany game, and he admitted truthfully that it was a factor. But the phrase within the tweet "you can't hide that some of the energy created was due to that" is a clear indication that he was uncomfortable with it. And he stressed that he had not discussed this aspect with his players so he wasn't using it in any motivational way.

A lot of the interview was about inclusivity and he even referred to this group of players as representing the "new England". I certainly formed the impression that he would never in a million years have brought up the subject if he wasn't asked and thought he handled it quite diplomatically.

But the Telegraph probably gave it more relevance than it was due in their article (as you would expect from that newspaper) an then some nobhead on twitter decided to pick up on it and more nobheads decided to jump on the bandwagon.

Gareth Southgate may not be a good football manager, but he is a good man with good values. He doesn't deserve the utter crap you've written above being said about him. You really are a very spiteful man Dave.

There is no reason whatsoever to say it had any link to a war. The '66 final, yes no doubt, not now.

The straight bat response should have been we all want to do well and the country wants to see us progress and go on to win something and they passionately get behind us.

 

[PITA]

Mate.

On another day that photo could have been taken at Goodison Park after we'd just scored against Liverpool, and those same fans wearing a mix of blue tinted shirts.

Honestly you can take no clue on the character of those people from that photograph, other than your own pre conceived perception.

What are they doing wrong, anyway?

 

[davek]

That's an utter load of tosh Dave. You need to read more of the article to get some context to what he said. He was obviously asked a question about something like the "blitz mentality" of the Wembley crowd in the Germany game, and he admitted truthfully that it was a factor. But the phrase within the tweet "you can't hide that some of the energy created was due to that" is a clear indication that he was uncomfortable with it. And he stressed that he had not discussed this aspect with his players so he wasn't using it in any motivational way.

A lot of the interview was about inclusivity and he even referred to this group of players as representing the "new England". I certainly formed the impression that he would never in a million years have brought up the subject if he wasn't asked and thought he handled it quite diplomatically.

But the Telegraph probably gave it more relevance than it was due in their article (as you would expect from that newspaper) an then some nobhead on twitter decided to pick up on it and more nobheads decided to jump on the bandwagon.

Gareth Southgate may not be a good football manager, but he is a good man with good values. He doesn't deserve the utter crap you've written above being said about him. You really are a very spiteful man Dave.

Err, I read the whole piece and commented on that.

He wasn't fed a line as a trap, he clearly understands and empathises with a notion of nationalism as one of pride at militaristic achievement.

And as for his words on inclusivity, just go back and read them and digest them:

“That inclusivity is really important for us because I think that is what modern England is,” Southgate said. “We know it hasn’t always been the case and there are historic reasons for that. But that level of tolerance and inclusion is what we have to be about moving forward.”

So, he's intimating there that there has been 'reason' for intolerance in the past because of empire and previous colonial relations (a tacit acceptance that lack of inclusivity was understandable in the post-colonial era given the imbalance between 'natives' and those arriving here from the old empire / commonwealth) AND that we should aim for a "level" of tolerance....which is ridiculous - why cant he just say we need tolerance full stop? Does he think there's a staging post or two along the way before reaching the nirvana state of full tolerance?

The feller is either thick and trying to claim a level of intellect that he just doesn't possess, or he's a dangerous fool who now reveals his hand at this late stage as a fellow traveller of the political right as he views the future and morphing into the Establishment. Or maybe it's a little of both.

 

[Deleted member 48881]

Wow so they were back to Firenze for just 4 days, and now flying back to LDN. Won't players be now exhausted, all the flights and passport checks? IMO they should've stayed in the UK after Spain game and trained at C.Palace ground or smth.

 

[everton fan number one]

Wow so they were back to Firenze for just 4 days, and now flying back to LDN. Won't players be now exhausted, all the flights and passport checks? IMO they should've stayed in the UK after Spain game and trained at C.Palace ground or smth.

Yep, England are surely favourites now.