But it's not even a level. A 3rd European tournament level? Next we'll have slots down to 17th able to play Grasshopper Zurich or some shat.
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But it's not even a level. A 3rd European tournament level? Next we'll have slots down to 17th able to play Grasshopper Zurich or some shat.
Carloblues
Player Valuation: £30m
By your logic then we should just swerve the domestic cups.
Be arsed playing Southport at home, if we don't get city, Liverpool or the big boys straight away
right up untill the final I don't want to know about it.
I don't think you're grasping my opinion of this tournament.
We currently don't have a squad that is Champions League level.
We currently don't have a squad that is Europa League level.
We are not above the level of this new Europa Conference League.
I just do not like this tournament, I never liked the Intertoto Cup, I don't like tournaments being created for the sake of it. Sure playing in Europe is fun but can you honestly say you give a crap about us playing Romania's 3rd best team in a semi-final? All you're thinking about is "I wonder what Romanian beer tastes like" which is fine, I went to Wolfsburg, I went to Lille, they were great but with COVID would we even get the sort of away day we all want?
That's not what's happened though. It's teams that would normally be in Europe, just they've shifted some of them to a third tournament instead of having them all in 2. There were always 3 tournaments when I was growing up, we won the one they got rid of for being crap. To win it we beat European leviathans like UCD, Inter Bratislava, and Fortuna Sittard. Might as well take it off the honours board, it's embarrassing to boast about it really.
wandyr79
Player Valuation: £25m
Maybe not and I apologise for any offence but it really angers me how cups can be devalued because of the risk.
Sport is a risk and reward world. Yes, you can go the safe route and still be successful but if you don't reach the stars then the clouds can still be a viable route to success.
You say the Europa is worthwhile and obviously I agree but the main reason I said idiots is because the same arguments were made about the Europa when Moyes was actually finishing high in the league and playing European football. It can be done, if this means a lesser competition (by the sounds of it it won't be much lesser) then we should embrace it not deride it.
We, as a club and fans, need to look at the bigger picture and not just the here and now. If we do not reach the promised land of the CL, and if we don't reach the not as promised of the Europa then we will hopefully reach the next not so promised land or, as some fans on here, seemingly want, we fail completely and not bother if we don't achieve option 1 or 2.
Maybe we should.
The cup winners' Cup though, apart from Bayern every side we faced in that was pony. Southall even says in Howard's Way that Kendall went out and watched Rapid Vienna before the final and came back laughing his arse off at how poor they were. That night is still held up though as one of if not the proudest moment in the club's history.
Clubs should celebrate every trophy they win which they legitimately qualified for, even if they've got their eyes on bigger things. The Intertoto Cup had zero merit because there was no criteria to take part, you literally applied lol. Embarrassing.
Yeah I think it's for the best. And any FA Cups where we beat lower league opposition on the way too. NSNO.
wandyr79
Player Valuation: £25m
Yes, that is aim 1, but we do have the backup of the Europa and then another backup.
We should be doing everything we can to achieve aim 1. If we don't achieve then we should embrace the competition we qualify for and use it as a springboard.
We can't just dismiss Europe because we see ourselves better than the competition. We, as Evertonians, should be better than that.
We will play in whatever European competition we deserve based on this seasons performance (or no Europe) and we have to use whatever competition that is to the best of our ability.
Yeh I'd scratch those off too.
Papa Shango
Player Valuation: £70m
One of our greatest ever achievements was winning a 3rd level European tournament.
wandyr79
Player Valuation: £25m
I believe this is the most important thing that people are missing.
The comparison with the Intertoto is like comparing the new level with pre season tournaments in the US, etc. That is what the Intertoto was, there were 3 (if I remember rightly) 'winners', it was by application and then it was the team that had the best 'fair play' or you could say had the refs least likely to book their players.
I have read that Roma, Villareal, Marseille will be in it. Sounds like a bit more than some 3rd division Romanian side to me.
Remind me again how teams qualified for the CWC?
Carloblues
Player Valuation: £30m
I don't think your grasping what sort of teams will qualify for this cup.
If we were to get in it similar ranked teams from similar quality leagues would be in it as well, NOT JUST crabs from Romania so the likes of Valencia, fiorentina, Wolfsburg, Lille etc could potentially be in it as well.
You are right about not having the squad for the champions League maybe even the Europa cup, so why not have the squad ready and used to playing twice a week because if/when we did qualify for the champions League our excuse would be oh were not used to playing twice a week.
I'm with you on not wanting to travel to all these mad countries for a first qualifying round or whatever, but as the competition goes on the teams get stronger and we could have night games back at goodison against decent European teams and I'm all for that
It wasn't as cut and dried which was superior to be honest, both competitions were distinctly different.
For what it's worth the Super Cup was contested by the EC and CWC winners, meaning we missed out on a match against Juventus. Uefa Cup though probably had more good teams in it.
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