Everton going it alone with BMD, the Legacy Project and L4 regeneration ?

[davek]

Despite some of the things said about him in another thread yesterday and previously, our former poster, @The Esk , has penned the following article following the events and unveilings of last Thursday evening, and is happy for me to share it with GOT.

I'd ask/suggest that everyone park their (in some cases rather jaundiced) opinions on Esk and read the article for what it says and the questions it raises.

Time for others to commit alongside Everton to Bramley-Moore & the regeneration of North Liverpool

Everton displayed great leadership with the Bramley-Moore stadium event last week. Time for all other interested parties to provide essential support.

theesk.org

In the excitement of it all, I dont think anyone appreciated that Everton on the day were left to present this project to the world when so many other parties stand to benefit from it. The esk is right to flag that up. It certainly didn't occur to me.

So what of the whereabouts of other major agencies in the city who should have endorsed the plans Everton's revealed? They were conspicuous by their absence. There seems to be tepid civic support for this project all told. Apart from Anderson when he was still proffering his loan deal, there's been little backing. What's their share they'll commit to investing in the city's future?

On reflection, I do find all that alarming.

And if Everton have to do the heavy lifting, he's right also to ask 'where is the expertise on the Everton board'.

I mean, these questions are fundamental for the stadium project and they need answering. It's no good denouncing the person posing good questions and running away from the logistics and politics of BMD. Neither is it helpful to simply throw arms up in the air and dismiss the potential for being isolated by implying Everton Father Christmas Usmanov has 'got this'.

The esk is asking grown up questions here and they need answering.

 

[jinkyali]

Again, just out of interest what's the reason for that? He might even pop up and field that one himself but he's very active on social media but chooses to no longer post on the largest Everton forum there is?

I appreciate he got a load of stick but a lot of it was warranted for the way he went about giving certain information. I don't want to veer of the topic at hand but I just struggle to understand why he's happy to have the article posted but not appear to debate the points he raises.

I could think of a few reasons...

 

[Bungle]

I would imagine he has his reasons for no longer posting/debating on GOT, it's not really my place to expand upon what they might be.
As you yourself say, he has a large social media following and his articles appear in a number of other outlets.
He is generally more than happy to debate constructively on Twitter.

Sadly I'm not on Twitter but bits I have seen previously it looks like he throws Damo a biscuit and he does the job of fighting off anyone that disagrees. I mean imagine Damo coming to your rescue haha

Fair enough if he has his reasons for not posting here, just seems like it's become more about the followers nowadays, safe in the knowledge that there's enough loons on Twitter that'll lap it up and shout over those that raise very reasonable counter arguments.

 

[jinkyali]

In the excitement of it all, I dont think anyone appreciated that Everton on the day were left to present this project to the world when so many other parties stand to benefit from it. The esk is right to flag that up. It certainly didn't occur to me.

So what of the whereabouts of other major agencies in the city who should have endorsed the plans Everton's revealed? They were conspicuous by their absence. There seems to be tepid civic support for this project all told. Apart from Anderson when he was still proffering his loan deal, there's been little backing.

On reflection, I do find all that alarming.

And if Everton have to do the heavy lifting, he's right to ask 'where is the expertise on the Everton board'.

I mean these questions are fundamental for the stadium project and need answering. It's not good denouncing the person posing good questions and running away from the logistics and politics of BMD. Neither is it helpful tom simply throw arms up in the air and dismiss by implying Everton Father Christmas Usmanov has 'got this'.

The esk is asking grown up questions here and they need answering.

With respect the 'Peoples Project', has been the leading communication tool in all this.

 

[Kurt.]

Can you clarify that Kurt ?

No

 

[Goat]

In the excitement of it all, I dont think anyone appreciated that Everton on the day were left to present this project to the world when so many other parties stand to benefit from it. The esk is right to flag that up. It certainly didn't occur to me.

So what of the whereabouts of other major agencies in the city who should have endorsed the plans Everton's revealed? They were conspicuous by their absence. There seems to be tepid civic support for this project all told. Apart from Anderson when he was still proffering his loan deal, there's been little backing. What's their share they'll commit to investing in the city's future?

On reflection, I do find all that alarming.

And if Everton have to do the heavy lifting, he's right also to ask 'where is the expertise on the Everton board'.

I mean these questions are fundamental for the stadium project and need answering. It's not good denouncing the person posing good questions and running away from the logistics and politics of BMD. Neither is it helpful tom simply throw arms up in the air and dismiss by implying Everton Father Christmas Usmanov has 'got this'.

The esk is asking grown up questions here and they need answering.

But Dave, Everton are building the stadium, so why the heck should the Lobster Pot pat them on the back and offer them free kebabs?

It comes as no surprise that you agree with it.

 

[davek]

But Dave, Everton are building the stadium, so why the heck should the Lobster Pot pat them on the back and offer them free kebabs?

It comes as no surprise that you agree with it.

Because Everton have finite resources and there's a free rider issue here: the council and Peel and the City Region cant be left to use Everton as a resource. We aren't Barcelona.

 

[jinkyali]

Esk asks where are peel holdings, LFC, other mp's aside from big Joe in all this...

MP's literally tweeted days ago.
Peoples project has peel holdings, liverpool waters, LFC, EPL all offering support..

Weird.

Its like he is touting for a job.

 

[GwladysPhil]

In the excitement of it all, I dont think anyone appreciated that Everton on the day were left to present this project to the world when so many other parties stand to benefit from it. The esk is right to flag that up. It certainly didn't occur to me.

So what of the whereabouts of other major agencies in the city who should have endorsed the plans Everton's revealed? They were conspicuous by their absence. There seems to be tepid civic support for this project all told. Apart from Anderson when he was still proffering his loan deal, there's been little backing. What's their share they'll commit to investing in the city's future?

On reflection, I do find all that alarming.

And if Everton have to do the heavy lifting, he's right also to ask 'where is the expertise on the Everton board'.

I mean, these questions are fundamental for the stadium project and they need answering. It's no good denouncing the person posing good questions and running away from the logistics and politics of BMD. Neither is it helpful to simply throw arms up in the air and dismiss by implying Everton Father Christmas Usmanov has 'got this'.

The esk is asking grown up questions here and they need answering.

Yet again causing unnecessary pessimism, they had the councils financial programme but have instead opted to negotiate with private financial firms which are strictly confidential.

Do you know what a NDA is Dave?

Can't wait for you and Esk to get a massive slap when finance is declared and you both find another way to build on your weird personal issue with the most progressive regime we've had in decades.

Then again you'll find another way to criticise them, my money is on the finance we've obtained, which like our current way of operating with debt the same as every single other club.

 

[GwladysPhil]

why doesnt he just come on and post it himself?

He said too good for that.

Remember when some mods used to say "our very own Esk" to introduce him to threads before he'd even posted like he was some sort of royalty.

 

[Toast]

Its like he is touting for a job.

 

[jinkyali]

I have read the whole article.

For many years Esk has led for the club to lead on the project. Now he suddenly doesnt want us too?

What a poor article. You can tell him that @AndyC

 

[Connor]

Esk asks where are peel holdings, LFC, other mp's aside from big Joe in all this...

MP's literally tweeted days ago.
Peoples project has peel holdings, liverpool waters, LFC, EPL all offering support..

Weird.

Its like he is touting for a job.

Everyone gave it support after the first consultation - businesses, councillors, etc...

Again, let's praise properly the project when it does instead of trying to emulate our neighbours.

 

[Goat]

Because Everton have finite resources and there's a free rider issue here: the council and Peel and the City Region cant be left to use Everton as a resource. We aren't Barcelona.

If we cant afford the stadium, then we shouldnt build it.

I honestly dont see what the problem is here.

Its like he is touting for a job.

AGAIN.

Its been his MO for a while now.

 

[jinkyali]

If we cant afford the stadium, then we shouldnt build it.

I honestly dont see what the problem is here.




AGAIN.

Its been his MO for a while now.

If he is he is putting himself out the running on a daily basis with his inconsistent, ill timed and damn right unimaginative ramblings..