Everton January 2022 Transfer Thread

[Noisy noise annoys]

I saw one yesterday saying Carlo had enquired about him last year.

OH right, that makes sense then.

We were deffo linked with him while Ancelotti was here, just can’t find the articles, they’ve been buried by him actually signing the other day.

Patterson I’m not sure

OK, seems that RB may not have total control then, fortunately

Since we apparently bid for Patterson in the Summer we can safely assume the scouting started before then unless he was another player Benitez belled up in China.

This is what I was thinking may have happened. Doesn't really seem a RB type though


My first ever successful multi-quote!

 

[Noisy noise annoys]

UnFbelievable...what a piece of S he is...

That is really poor of him,he doesnt seem the type, but just shows really

 

[toffee-boy]

 

[OneTrueLegend]

UnFbelievable...what a piece of S he is...

To be honest I don’t blame any player for seeing out their contract. It’s not like he’s refused to play for us or anything like that. It’s not worked out for him here and he has had some bad injuries.

 

[Yarrgh]

Looks like Tosun is staying put for now. It has been reported several times that Besiktas want him back on a free, but we want either a cancellation of the remainder of his contract or for them to pay his wages for the last 6 months of his contract and neither seem to be an option at the moment. Unless something changes he will probably stay and see out his contract.

Blow For Interested Club As Everton Star Decides Against Leaving Toffees This Month

Everton striker Cenk Tosun will not join Besiktas this month after deciding to stay at Goodison Park.

insidefutbol.com

Surely Besiktas paying the portion of his wages they would pay if they got him on a free and us making that up over the next 6 months to what he would have got here is an option?

As long as Besiktas were paying him a decent wage that was in line with Turkish contracts then that's probably the best we'd get to save a few hundred thousand. Not great but what else to expect?

 

[Saint Domingo]

But I thought we’d be buying Ciaran Clark or Paul Dummet?

 

[davek]

Benitez is apparently a paradox that is unbelievably stubborn with a huge rampant ego, incapable of compromise flexibility, unable to man manage etc.

Yet apparently he’s also perfectly happy for Moshiri and Kenwright to do his transfer business for him based on the scouting of a director of football he presumably helped get removed

Do people not realise how ridiculous this sounds?

Since he came through the door every signing we’ve made has been a Benitez one, it was always going to be, he’s a control freak who has to do things his way. At least though it means we know exactly where the accountability sits good or bad.

Convenient game though to give Benitez all the bad signings and then any decent ones give to Marcel Brands, ffs.

The possibility of confusion over signings once the Dutch catastrophe was booted out...at Benitez behest...is nil.

The same people doing Benitez down are panic stricken that the new signings will turn out successes and therefore be a plus for Benitez AND help him secure his position as manager if the team results pick up with them playing.

There's a hell of a lot of hypocrisy.

 

[trueblue84]

The possibility of confusion over signings once the Dutch catastrophe was booted out...at Benitez behest...is nil.

The same people doing Benitez down are panic stricken that the new signings will turn out successes and therefore be a plus for Benitez AND help him secure his position as manager if the team results pick up with them playing.

There's a hell of a lot of hypocrisy.

I think you're well wide of the mark. I'd love nothing better than benitez to do well as it means Everton is doing well.

Sure, there are some fans who don't like him because of his rs connections (tbf, you seem more interested in Liverpool's failure than Everton's survival, so I thought you'd be one of them).

The fact is that benitez isn't doing well. In fact, he's now officially worse than Mike walker, who is pretty much regarded as the worst everton manager while any of us have been alive. If he turns it round in the next couple of games, that's great. But if he doesn't, we are in real trouble.

 

[Eggs]

The possibility of confusion over signings once the Dutch catastrophe was booted out...at Benitez behest...is nil.

The same people doing Benitez down are panic stricken that the new signings will turn out successes and therefore be a plus for Benitez AND help him secure his position as manager if the team results pick up with them playing.

There's a hell of a lot of hypocrisy.

….we all genuinely hope the Benitez signings are as good as Gray and not as bad as Rondon. I think it’s reasonable to say Benitez’s record on transfers to this point is decent.

Even if Patterson was identified by a previous regime, I’m of a view that Benitez will have endorsed the deal. Patterson wouldn’t be here if Benitez didn’t want him. I still have a major concern that things are exactly the same as when Brands was here, in that Manager and Owner have their own transfer agenda.

 

[BlueToff]

Unfortunately, I think both were only linked AFTER rb joined

Both full-backs were targets who had been scouted before Rafael came, if that's what you mean.

Dynamo Kyiv's former manager (now Ukraine coach I think) said yesterday that Ancelotti spoke to him about Mykolenko.

The signings are decent long-term options. Benitez clearly likes them too and signed off on them. He still gets the final say on transfers.

 

[BlueToff]

Benitez is apparently a paradox that is unbelievably stubborn with a huge rampant ego, incapable of compromise flexibility, unable to man manage etc.

Yet apparently he’s also perfectly happy for Moshiri and Kenwright to do his transfer business for him based on the scouting of a director of football he presumably helped get removed

Do people not realise how ridiculous this sounds?

Since he came through the door every signing we’ve made has been a Benitez one, it was always going to be, he’s a control freak who has to do things his way. At least though it means we know exactly where the accountability sits good or bad.

Convenient game though to give Benitez all the bad signings and then any decent ones give to Marcel Brands, ffs.

Dynamo Kyiv's former coach is on record saying Everton and Ancelotti spoke to him about Mykolenko in 2020.

Benitez clearly didn't scout Patterson himself in the summer but was happy with us putting a bid in with what we had available at the time. It worked well in that regard.

Just because Brands has gone doesn't mean players that were scouted by his recruitment team won't have been targets. It's not to credit anyone or discredit Benitez really. It's just pointing out that these were both targets that have been scouted extensively.

On your last point, which is utter drivel because nobody is making it, btw, Benitez took full responsibility for all the signings that we made last summer. He publicly said so btw. And Gray has been brilliant, fine work. Townsend is what he is on a free transfer, he's been overworked and played out of position recently and now he's got a stress fracture (which comes from overworking), but that's the type of player he is. He's very, very average but is a good squad player on a free.

Rondon is absolutely horrendous and should not have been brought in.

The reason both these signings are good ones is because they're young and can develop into a few different styles. Hopefully that isn't Benitez's style long term, because it's awful, absolutely awful, and will get us relegated. But both will take time to bed in. We probably expedited the Mykolenko deal because of the Digne fall out, which is just a shame that it's been handled so badly. Because if it was actually the plan to have Mykolenko come in and push Digne for 6 months and bed in, then sell Digne in the summer, then that is a perfectly good plan what a sensible club would do.

 

[Cow kecks]

But I thought we’d be buying Ciaran Clark or Paul Dummet?

You wish.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Both full-backs were targets who had been scouted before Rafael came, if that's what you mean.

Dynamo Kyiv's former manager (now Ukraine coach I think) said yesterday that Ancelotti spoke to him about Mykolenko.

The signings are decent long-term options. Benitez clearly likes them too and signed off on them. He still gets the final say on transfers.

I’d hope tbh that transfer lists would have aligned. Considering where we are as a club, what we need moving forward, the budget available to us, the wages we can pay, there’s probably only a certain number of names in each position that are genuine viable targets. If Benitez came in and said ‘I want this player’ and the scouting department were like ‘never seen him before mate’ I’d be extremely worried as to what we’ve been doing for the last 7 years. Every player Benitez mentions should have to some level been scouted by Everton.

Considering the removal of Brands and Steinsson though, I somehow doubt that Benitez is accepting previously arranged deals that they put in place, or blindly accepting their scouting tips for Moshiri and Bill to progress. Never in a million years.

 

[davek]

….we all genuinely hope the Benitez signings are as good as Gray and not as bad as Rondon. I think it’s reasonable to say Benitez’s record on transfers to this point is decent.

Even if Patterson was identified by a previous regime, I’m of a view that Benitez will have endorsed the deal. Patterson wouldn’t be here if Benitez didn’t want him. I still have a major concern that things are exactly the same as when Brands was here, in that Manager and Owner have their own transfer agenda.

Something you have absolutely NO evidence to suggest is the case.

 

[Saint Domingo]

You wish.

No, I actually think a lot of other people do wish we were though just to prove some agendas.

Gray, Mykolenko, Patterson as his first signings he’s spent a fee on. All young quick players with attacking ability as well. It’s a shame when facts don’t fit agendas.