SuperKev91
Player Valuation: £5m
There’s a huge in between here.
Rigg and Dibling in a conversation with Ancelotti and Lukaku…. read that back.
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Rigg and Dibling in a conversation with Ancelotti and Lukaku…. read that back.
Raino85
Player Valuation: £35m
Seriously?
You can laugh at Zat's constant request for the youngest posssible player, be realistic about signings and have ambitious thoughts at the saem time
Tom Fellows
James McAtee
Jayden Oosterwolde
Giorgi Chakvetadze
Dennis Cirkin
Archie Brown
Nicholas Kuhn
Ismael Doukoure
Vini Souza
Ryan Andrews
Even someone a little older like Kieran Tierney, are all more reasonable older targets to discuss who would genuinelly offer something (or maybe not, you just never know)
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
I think you made a good point and then somewhat of a 'bad' one here.
Regarding Wharton (who I'm a big fan of), as a player he joined Palace when he was 19, turning 20 in Feb 2024. He then of course got into the England squad.
This season I read/heard that he's not been at the level he was previously for Palace.
You make a fair and good point that young players can have inconsistent form and I'd even add, possible huge drop offs for a significant amount of time. The whole Palace team has massively dropped off and hes missed 7 games with injury so not sure if it could be considered a drop off in isolation in his case.
Taking that point over to Dibling and Rigg;
Dibling this season has started 10 league games and been a sub in 5. My point about him was that he'd "arguably start ahead of Harrison/Lindstrom". On ability he certainly would, though I would be optimistic about that -- theres nothing wrong with him rotating in/out. He's turning 19 in Feb and I believe there are a number of examples we could look back on over the years of effective young wingers at that age.
Rigg is more of an interesting one as he's consistently starting for Sunderland with 19 starts and 1 sub this season, though not turning 19 until June so a little younger.
The key with both signings is that neither is expected to be a major influence from the beginning. They would be pushing the players ahead of them for game time on merit. As with Branthwaite, young, English with very high potential that could benefit the team. The sole difference would be the slightly older age we sign them at with the corresponding higher fees due to their exposure.
The 2 questions I'd have for you here would be;
A: Should we sell Branthwaite asap and reinvest the money on multiple lower potential / cheaper players?
B: Should there be a cut off on how much we spend on high potential u21s?
You've given an example of Tom Fellows who is 3 years older than Rigg and has one less start this season -- how is he a "safer" option than the two others who are rated far, far, far more highly?
Cheaper for a reason?
I’d absolutely love for us to be in a position to buy those two and slowly bed them into the team. We buy them for 60m and we can’t afford actual first team players to take over from Harrison and Doucoure - do you genuinely believe that Rigg and Dibling start for a team hoping to stay in the prem?!
Get off your video games for a second and live in the real world. Ideal scenario we have solid first team players that as you say they can slowly oust - that’s not the case.
We need some good players first before we go buying prospects.
Absolutely mad I swear.
So purchasing the two players I mentioned for £60mil (£12mil per season) in an e.g 23 man squad suddenly means the club cant sign other players for the squad? Thats with all of the commercial deals commensurate with the new stadium, new board and new ownership -- as well as a sizeable amount of players leaving? That is incredibly illogical.
Also, yes I dont see why Dibling would not start a game over Harrison or Lindstrom. Perhaps you could enlighten me why a superior player wouldnt start over weaker players?
Rigg also may start on merit, although less frequently.
I'm a little unsure why you are mocking @Dymak with the Lukaku example? There is a chance that one or both could be signed and sold for a higher % than Lukaku & a potential chance that they could have similar impact to him.
Both players performances and even highlights can be found online. Neither name is a secret -- repeatedly claiming I'm picking out names from a "computer game" just shows up your own lack of player knowledge.
We've been linked with Fellows and Doukoure was also linked 2-3 years ago. Oosterwolde a couple of times as well.
Those players you've listed may be decent signings and may also be flops. I can see why you've listed them as they're older and cheaper than the two I mentioned...
...also massively higher risks.
I'd rather the two players who are younger with the higher potential showing that they're likely going to the top. That is why they carry a premium with far higher potential upside.
Zatara
Player Valuation: £100m
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Kieran Tierney - Injury history
This is the injury history of Kieran Tierney from FC Arsenal. On this page injuries as well as suspensions.
windymiller
Player Valuation: £60m
Tierney is the exact profile of player we should be steering miles clear of. We're almost certainly going to have a relatively small and/or thin squad next season, we can't afford to carry players who are rarely fit. It's why Coleman has to be released this summer, too.@Raino85
Kieran Tierney - Injury history
This is the injury history of Kieran Tierney from FC Arsenal. On this page injuries as well as suspensions.
Lapeno77
Player Valuation: £35m
Pretty sure that won't happen.
Fairly sure it won't happen.
Surely it won't happen?
It's gonna happen isn't it
No chance. Apparently on 350k a week if I'm not mistaken. Could get 20 players for that
Lapeno77
Player Valuation: £35m
No chance. The Everton of old under Farthead, would of defo considered it.
Dymak
Player Valuation: £40m
I'm not entirely sure what you mean?
Rigg and Dibling are comparitive nobodies at this stage compared to Ancelotti and Lukaku when we signed them. If we are trying to compare the liklihood of Everton ever signing these people, then Ancelotti would have been considered the least likely of them all, but he signed.
My overall initial point was don't be shocked to hear the odd far out suggestion in a thread that is underpinned by transfer speculation. Adding to that, I'm saying that Everton are capable of attracting the likes of Lukaku and Ancelloti IN REAL LIFE.
I’m pretty sure we tried go get him on loan or something a few years back? Defo remember media links
Quite possibly. Or paper talk, or maybe part payment .. like 90% one club, 10% another (Everton 90%) knowing us
CielosGrises
Player Valuation: £15m
Hopefully with Bill out the picture we stop getting the expensive Utd cast-offs.