Everton January 2025 Transfer Thread

[EFC_FRANCIS]

Longstaff may not end up being true but it feels like a lot of people are forgetting that we have 2 central midfielders under contract next season. One is Tim who may not be good enough and the other possibly has chronic back issues.

Negotiations are going to be a nightmare with teams noticing we don't have anyone. At least a Longstaff type allows us to say we aren't that desperate to overpay.

 

[mccole]

I can see a few lads like Dixon or Armstrong out for loan.

Our squad is small but we have a few additional options upfront so if we can move Beto on it would help especially with Broja and Chermiti back.

DCL is good as gone for me. I don't think he will sign a new deal so we need to phase him out.

Garner back soon and Tim hopefully soon, we have extra options in midfield.

I'd like to see a left back and right winger in

 

[Simon Buttle]

I can see a few lads like Dixon or Armstrong out for loan.

Our squad is small but we have a few additional options upfront so if we can move Beto on it would help especially with Broja and Chermiti back.

DCL is good as gone for me. I don't think he will sign a new deal so we need to phase him out.

Garner back soon and Tim hopefully soon, we have extra options in midfield.

I'd like to see a left back and right winger in

Garner has back problems (not for the first time either) football and back issues tend not to be the best combination and Tim's injury is not healing and he looks as though he won't be back anytime soon.

 

[Neiler]

Longstaff may not end up being true but it feels like a lot of people are forgetting that we have 2 central midfielders under contract next season. One is Tim who may not be good enough and the other possibly has chronic back issues.

Negotiations are going to be a nightmare with teams noticing we don't have anyone. At least a Longstaff type allows us to say we aren't that desperate to overpay.

Even if its a PSR swindle its not a great investment mate, £15 mill is still three mill a season on a five year contract + wages - with very little upside on a resale, for what would be a threading water signing.

For context someone like Wharton went for an upfront £18 mill, rising to £22 in the same market last year.

Something like that would be a far better investment.

We need to begin to make whatever money we invest in players work for us.

 

[Deulofeumygod]

Friedkin don't even know what a Longstaff is.

 

[Neiler]

Friedkin don't even know what a Longstaff is.

Its actually Matty coming in.

 

[blueboy72]

But Newcastle will only give us that for DCL is we pay that for Longstaff in return.

Yes and longer contract we give him to shorten our yearly cost, means more wages to him, but more cost to us. I just don’t think he’s worth potentially 30mil
In fees and wages and keeping him till he’s 31 just to get us 10mil in January against PSR

 

[blueboy72]

Longstaff may not end up being true but it feels like a lot of people are forgetting that we have 2 central midfielders under contract next season. One is Tim who may not be good enough and the other possibly has chronic back issues.

Negotiations are going to be a nightmare with teams noticing we don't have anyone. At least a Longstaff type allows us to say we aren't that desperate to overpay.

I’d rather we buy mangala , who has got better and now looks decent now fully fit, Lyon need money im sure we could strike a good deal with them.

 

[MikeH72]

….fantastic news if Thelwell’s nose has been pushed out and the Manager has been asked to identify transfer targets

Filling a team with dinosaur players approved by a dinosaur manager that isn’t going to be here next season, fantastic indeed.

 

[Zatara]

PSR move with Johnathan David?

Why would Lille be interested in this?

Cant do anything with Lille here I expect. Unless it was OBrien or Mykolenko to them who they likely wont want.

If were able to sell DCL & Beto then it would definitely be a good move to offer Lille money down for David before they lose him in the summer.

I've been saying about him for 2-3 seasons now and been told "he'll sign for a top side" but hes still there.

Think I put up during the summer, nearly the entirety of our permanent transfers that actually took money have been on players 24 or under, the older players have either been frees, nominal fees or loans (Young, Gueye, Tarkowski, Harrison, Danjuma)

Only exception to that rule seems to be Beto - who I think was an exception due to the DCL fitness worries and him literally being the only player we could get in on the buy now pay later deal.

Rest of the permanent desks seem to be targeting 24 or younger

Ndiaye, Tim, Garner, Chermiti, O'Brien, McNeil, - all 24 or younger when we bought them. Both Broja and Lindstrom who we have prearranged fees for are 24 or younger also.

So we do seem to have a policy of only paying money out on you get players and using loans and frees on older players - so maximising resale and minimising sunk cost.

Signing young players is good ?????

What sorcery is this

Ive been reading how we need instant starters for a decade.

Unless they think Broja and Chermiti have goals in them I’d be shocked if we’re not linked with strikers.

More than DCL & Beto I expect. If money comes in and is used in other areas then it makes perfect sense.

It helps because Calvert-Lewin cost us peanuts, so his book value is next to nothing. If we get a transfer fee say of £15m in a deal with Longstaff coming the other way, the Longstaff PSR value is worked out across the duration of his contract. So we’d probably end up around £10m better off in PSR terms. This would give us useful wriggle room to do some other deals. And is also preferable to Calvert-Lewin leaving for nothing in the summer.

Im a bit concerned with the profile of the Longstaff link - however if we go down a route of signing players sub 24 or younger we really need to be patient, this is a profile of player we have really struggled to develop here, generally opting for established players elsewhere. Our recent history is littered with players we have struggled to bring to the top, Kean, Robinson, Lookman, Vlasic, Gordon to name a few.

We've been that bit better of late and under Thelwell with Garner, Branthwaite, Tim and Broja. Though we still have one of, if not the oldest squad in the league,.

But if we go with mostly under 24's we need to be patient and nurture these players to develop.

Looking at the success Forest has had this season there is a core of progression in MGW, Elagna and CHO - that's kicked them on after a couple of years of bringing them along and being relatively patient with them.

If Newcastle want to play then we should be doing a deal for DCL (all profit) and going for Lewis Hall or Harvey Barnes.

Yes it would mean adding fees on top of the incoming monies for DCL but they improve our team and would be worth the fee -- spread over their contract for PSR.

Garner has back problems (not for the first time either) football and back issues tend not to be the best combination and Tim's injury is not healing and he looks as though he won't be back anytime soon.

Garners out of contract in 2026 as well. He'll need an extension or to be sold.

I’d rather we buy mangala , who has got better and now looks decent now fully fit, Lyon need money im sure we could strike a good deal with them.

Or...we could try for one of their good players?

 

[Dymak]

I’d say you can’t have it both ways. You can’t be desperate to dismiss investment on the grounds of PSR, and then also be against swapping DCL for Longstaff in order to make room for PSR.

The truth is that nobody knows how much ‘room’ we have for PSR, and whether creating room is to prevent a PSR breach or to facilitate investment.

If it’s to facilitate investment, then I’m definitely all for it, and I wouldn’t be valuing DCL or Longstaff at just 15 million. They’re both players that have previously been hyped to the max, so I’d be looking at a 25 million swap at the very least.

Then we’d have near enough 25 million pounds worth of PSR room to invest that did not exist previously, and the ‘evolution not revolution’ crowd would have to try and find some other reason to keep Everton poor.

 

[Zatara]

I’d say you can’t have it both ways. You can’t be desperate to dismiss investment on the grounds of PSR, and then also be against swapping DCL for Longstaff in order to make room for PSR.

The truth is that nobody knows how much ‘room’ we have for PSR, and whether creating room is to prevent a PSR breach or to facilitate investment.

If it’s to facilitate investment, then I’m definitely all for it, and I wouldn’t be valuing DCL or Longstaff at just 15 million. They’re both players that have previously been hyped to the max, so I’d be looking at a 25 million swap at the very least.

Then we’d have near enough 25 million pounds worth of PSR room to invest that did not exist previously, and the ‘evolution not revolution’ crowd would have to try and find some other reason to keep Everton poor.

Great in theory, similar to Dobbin/Iroegbunam.

If we look forward 12-24-36months though, we're going to be paying an average at best midfielder.

If we value DCL at £25mil and signed e.g Hall or Barnes at £40mil were fine from a PSR standpoint + we get an improvement at left back or left wing (Ndiaye central).

That would make sense for us AND give Newcastle approximately the same wiggle room on PSR.

 

[DanB90]

There’s some important questions we need to be asking of the recruitment team.

How long does a staff have to be for it to be considered long?

What unit of measurements are we talking about?

What length are the other staffs this particular staff is being compared to?

If we’re talking a slightly above average staff, is it really worth it?

 

[blueboy72]

I’d say you can’t have it both ways. You can’t be desperate to dismiss investment on the grounds of PSR, and then also be against swapping DCL for Longstaff in order to make room for PSR.

The truth is that nobody knows how much ‘room’ we have for PSR, and whether creating room is to prevent a PSR breach or to facilitate investment.

If it’s to facilitate investment, then I’m definitely all for it, and I wouldn’t be valuing DCL or Longstaff at just 15 million. They’re both players that have previously been hyped to the max, so I’d be looking at a 25 million swap at the very least.

Then we’d have near enough 25 million pounds worth of PSR room to invest that did not exist previously, and the ‘evolution not revolution’ crowd would have to try and find some other reason to keep Everton poor.

I think there’s better ways around it and that’s what we should be looking at. Personally I would wait till the summer as we have till July the 1st to balance this years accounts and if we need to raise 10mil
Than potentially spending 40mi on Sean longstaff, because we will be stuck with him till he’s goes on a free.
We have to box a bit cleverer than that imo

 

[Dymak]

Any deal involving DCL, should it actually happen, won’t take place until right at the end of the transfer window imo.

DCL still thinks that a worldwide blue chip club will be willing to meet his wage demands of 130k plus just because he’s available on a free. There was once a time when I wouldn’t have dismissed this, but that time has been and gone.

The truth is that he’s a donkey in front of goal, and the list of clubs interested in him is going to be small and they aren’t going to be ‘blue chip’ either. However DCL won’t accept that until the reality is staring him in the face, right at the end of the transfer window.