Everton January 2025 Transfer Thread

[JLW]

Possible Thelwell had been working on Dyche targets in the four months between and Moyes has pulled the plug on a few maybe? Quite disappointment there is no movement.

This shouldnt be how it works using a DoF.

The targets should be Thelwells with the manager to suit the players he wants, of course the manager will get some say in it.

Our targets should suit this manager and the next manager or whats the point in a DoF.

 

[mikel_88]

So maybe ferguson on the move prob be west ham because money the have this window for a stiker tho

 

[Raino85]

The rs have wasted a fortune on average players. When was the last time they bought a top quality player? But they can afford to make mistakes thanks to their following of global happy clappers. That's what makes it unfair. Otherwise Bournemouth and Brighton would be the top 2 as they've been the best run clubs over the last 3 years.

Gravenberch has been excellent this season

Mac Allister is considered top quality also, compare that to someone like Casemeiro, its money well spent.

Gakpo, Diaz

 

[Tony’s Carp]

I imagine today’s press conference will mark the traditional point in the window where “we need players” becomes “you know, it’s a very difficult market, we’re working diligently but….”

 

[Raino85]

mid table? maybe but they were top 6 two years ago, and are currently 4 points off a champions league place

Welbeck is in the form of his life, Joao Pedro is a quality player as is Rutter. Half their bench would liekly get in our starting XI, we are way below a mid table side currently

Same weird thing some posters have said about Lindstrom that he couldnt get in Napoli side so must be something amiss. Napoli who won a Scudetto and are regulars in the champions league ...

He's going to be the next one they get a ridiculous amount of money for.

Would be brilliant at Arsenal

 

[b-rad]

In 3 years they haven't signed anyone for a great deal of money but have sold Alvarez , Palmer and Delap. I'd guess that they are fine for PSR

Just 90m on Gvardiol
75m on Marmoush
62m on Nunes
60m on Halland
60m on Doku
49m on Phillips
40m Khusanov
37m on Reis
29m on Kovacic
25m on Savinho
in the last 3 years

I agree they are probably fine for PSR, but they are still spending more than they take in transfers.

 

[hallamblue]

Gravenberch has been excellent this season

Mac Allister is considered top quality also, compare that to someone like Casemeiro, its money well spent.

Gakpo, Diaz

Gravenberch is nothing special, MacAllister is about right for the £45 million they paid, Gakpo is a crap player who's having a decent few games over the last 6 weeks and Diaz has been there for ages, he's not a recent signing.

 

[pfim]

Here's an argument for you all.

Has PSR worked?

Bournemouth, Brighton, Fulham, Brentford, Palace all seen as some well ran clubs, some have been 2 or 3 divisions below in hte past 4 or 5 seasons.
Does that give a blueprint for Ipswich or other forwardly mobile clubs trying to push on?

Probably the worst ran clubs over the past few years are ourselves and Utd, 13th & 16th

We wont see Leicester for a few years after they go down this season id imagine, is that because they spent over what they could for a good few years?

You look at Der Red's, they have had transfer windows when they havent bought, just for the sake of buying. I can only think of Nunez as a huge mistake over £35m, again something that someone like United haven't adhered too

We all talk about how poorly ran the club has been under Moshiri, so does the evidence prove that poorly ran clubs get punished?

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Every situation is different, Forest had a lower loss threshold as they had two years in the Championship. They spent to come up and stay up, whether they breached by design I guess is up for debate.

We didn't even believe we breached, couldn't figure out the numbers properly, and literally did not have the cash to operate the club properly.

Putting PSR aside for a minute, our financial situation didn't change because of PSR. It changed because of profligate spending and our oligarch tap running dry. We are/were one of the worst run clubs in England, only perhaps Reading is the obvious example of one that was worse.

At any rate, the logic of the financial rules is to limit player spending to make these club owners a boatload of cash. Those who break those rules will be punished arbitrarily because these club owners can't help themselves: if one spends above the club's means, all will want to.

 

[Raino85]

The PL will say it’s worked because no clubs have gone into, or been under serious threat of administration. Most of the participants in the league will argue it hasn’t because they’re constantly operating with a hand tied behind their backs.

The likes of Brighton et al are on borrowed time because the clubs that were paying the massive fees that sustained their model will either fall afoul of the rules or come so close that they can’t afford those kinds of fees anymore.

It’s a horrible, pointless system and needs sending to the moon.

Will that be the case though?

The top teams are still paying bug bucks, Chelsea will find a way around being able to spend money.
Man City spent £150m this window
Utd spent £215m in the summer
Even Villa spent £208m, (recouped £178m)

 

[bluestevon]

The PL will say it’s worked because no clubs have gone into, or been under serious threat of administration. Most of the participants in the league will argue it hasn’t because they’re constantly operating with a hand tied behind their backs.

The likes of Brighton et al are on borrowed time because the clubs that were paying the massive fees that sustained their model will either fall afoul of the rules or come so close that they can’t afford those kinds of fees anymore.

It’s a horrible, pointless system and needs sending to the moon.

Agree about Brighton, in fact the last few years has seen them on dying bigger and bigger fees for players they once were getting for bargain basement prices - problem is, the system used to recruit became too successful - here and at places like Dortmund and RB Leipzig, French clubs etc, so now everyone is shopping in that 20-23 market which has the maximum upside in terms of development increasing the value, that's skyrocketed the demand compared to supply and debt the prices through the roof.

When Brighton or Bournemouth could pick up a lad at 20/21 fir 4-6m then flip him a few years later for 30-40m the model works perfectly, it allows them multiple failures whilst still giving them a huge overall return, once the prices they have to pay start getting towards 20-40 though the room for error has gone and they need pretty much a much much better hit rate to be able to still keep the model of recruitment going.

A couple of seasons were the success rate flops, the entire system will collapse in on them.

Both are reaching the point now we're they will need to start qualifying regularly for Europe to ensure an additional source of revenue as well.

Gonna be an interesting watch to see if they can adjust to a saturated market now.

 

[bluestevon]

I think Brighton will sell him in the summer if they get a decent bid so loan to Ipswich is just to see him starting most weeks and get him in the shop window that way.

It's a bit odd people writing him off as by that criteria Ndiaye not playing much at Marseille was similar. For position Ipswich are in someone of his quality is as good a loan signing as they can make.

Think it's more due to him being rumoured heavily to be into coke and nightclubs rather than training and playing mate. If it's Ferguson you're on about

 

[bluestevon]

It seems anyone West Ham are linked with, clickbait merchants tentatively lash us in for extra clicks which the aggregators lap up.

Two new managers, two languishing clubs one with new ownership, easy clicks

 

[CielosGrises]

Every situation is different, Forest had a lower loss threshold as they had two years in the Championship. They spent to come up and stay up, whether they breached by design I guess is up for debate.

We didn't even believe we breached, couldn't figure out the numbers properly, and literally did not have the cash to operate the club properly.

Putting PSR aside for a minute, our financial situation didn't change because of PSR. It changed because of profligate spending and our oligarch tap running dry. We are/were one of the worst run clubs in England, only perhaps Reading is the obvious example of one that was worse.

At any rate, the logic of the financial rules is to limit player spending to make these club owners a boatload of cash. Those who break those rules will be punished arbitrarily because these club owners can't help themselves: if one spends above the club's means, all will want to.

Thought it was interesting that Utd are using PSR as an excuse to raise ticket prices.

So you think the real truth of it is to increase income for owners ?

 

[ToffeeScot]

Before Ted Bundy got caught everyone says what a lovely, polite young man he was

Makes sense to compare a football player that didn't turn up for a match and a serial killer.

 

[bluestevon]

Will that be the case though?

The top teams are still paying bug bucks, Chelsea will find a way around being able to spend money.
Man City spent £150m this window
Utd spent £215m in the summer
Even Villa spent £208m, (recouped £178m)

Yup but the question is due to the inflated fees all clubs here are now paying for younger players, is the mark up they are gonna have to ask mean that the likes of city, Chelsea etc will simply not buy domestically again.