Everton January 2025 Transfer Thread

[toffeeblue9]

If there is a loan fee paid by the loaning club (Everton) - then the loanee club (Lyon) is under no obligation to take the player back during the agreed loan term.

No oversight, just the machinations of loan contracts. It could be considered a duty of care for Lyon to take Mangala back to have his ACL injury treated by their own medical department, but it wouldn't absolve Everton of their salary commitments or their loan fee.

It's the same situation with Broja, but at least the Mangala loan doesn't impede our attempts to loan another player from outside of the Premier League.

It's also usual for an insurance policy to be in place to cover wages (or at least a significant portion of them) when a player has a long term injury

The only real impact of not being able to send a player back is the fact they're taking up a loan slot

 

[RomanReigns]

we could go above these tomorrow in the table

 

[Frosty1878]

The only thing that has changed is back to back wins which few of us would have predicted.

The other thing that has changed is 2 first team starters out long term. Wanted a few players in anyway realistically that needs to be 4/5 players now we all know that’s not happening, was in trouble with Dyche still in trouble now and 2 wins haven’t changed that.

 

[milks]

Surprised that there's been no link to Ansu Fati as yet.
He's surplus to requirement at Barcelona and they need to shift players so that they can bring Rashford in on loan.

He's young, quick, talented, plays anywhere across the front and would offer a real improvement to our squad on loan.

 

[blue to the bone]

Is it a 1.30 press conference?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

we could go above these tomorrow in the table

They won't go down, so what's the point?

Or something.

 

[WA Toffee]

Why is the default to be "spending badly"

It's a nonsense, apologetic defence.

Sign players who improve the team or heaven forbid, allow some depth.

That isn't asking much.

And your last sentence isn't accurate, as much as the Sky Sports type agenda would love to have you believe. The stadium, previous board and Russia's war got us into the current situation. Sure, one window under Koeman we spent a bit of money. Like Fulham, Bournemouth and West Ham have since. And nowhere near the amounts Nottingham or Villa have.

Teams spend money, teams invest money into the playing squad - we haven't. The only team to not have done the last 4 years.

Our squad value for fees, including players we have on loan who we didnt actually spend is 19th from 20th. I think Ipswich actually went above us this window. [Edit. They haven't. Our squad cost is 19th in the league, above only Ipswich.]

It was you that suggested you would rather spend bad than not spend at all.

If there is a player that is likely to improve us, then 100% we should spend the money, but the call to spend for spending sake is only ever made when we are talking about someone else's money. Why shouldn't they be as careful with their money as we are with ours?

Yes, I will agree that there are many factors which put us into the current situation.

And yes, we absolutely need new players. Now.

 

[billyblue80]

Is it a 1.30 press conference?

We are trying, hard market January etc etc

 

[AdamMcG2000]

Nothings happening until we know the result of Saturdays game. A win and don’t expect anything other than a squad filler, anything other than a win and it will be a minimum of 2 incomings.

Hope to god this isn’t our approach. The squad is paper thin, a few wins shouldn’t change anything on the transfer front. By doing next to nothing this window they’re leaving themselves on awful lot to do in the summer with all these players out of contract.

 

[allen]

Is it a 1.30 press conference?

Allegedly... 13:36 before he starts talking is my bet!

 

[GrandOldTeam]

It was you that suggested you would rather spend bad than not spend at all.

I didn't.

I said making that point is a nonsense, apologetic shout because it inherently implies we'll inevitably spend bad.

If there is a player that is likely to improve us, then 100% we should spend the money, but the call to spend for spending sake is only ever made when we are talking about someone else's money. Why shouldn't they be as careful with their money as we are with ours?

Yes, I will agree that there are many factors which put us into the current situation.

And yes, we absolutely need new players. Now.

The bold bit is my point.

Attempt to negate that by saying "we could spend bad now" is a nonsense, IMO.

 

[Neiler]

7 points clear.

If we lost the last 2, you still don't sign players who don't improve us long term.

Again, why is the default that we'd sign terrible players?

The crux of it is this team needs players now, as much as it ever has.

You say the last 2 games has undoubtedly changed our situation - a squad already on it's arse, has lost two first team players in Calvert-Lewin and Mangala in that time

Sure, we could be 10 points clear tomorrow, or 4 points with 40% of the season to go.

A team that's been in a relegation scrap for 3 successive years is in one until it's not.

But we didn't loose those two and our situation has improved on those around us. You surely react to the context your in, rather then an imaginary one.

Again im not sure what point you are making, im happy to make signings, my demarcation is if we sign a player with a profile who will be here and improve the club, over a 3-5 year period - 100% on board. If we are in for Dele Allis, Walcotss, Tosuns, Schnederlin, El Gazi's then im not - id rather do nothing because whats the point?. Its that simple really - id rather do nothing then the former 100%. If that the choice that my answer, it has to be quality over quantity, there has to be a break with he dysfunctional recruitment cycles of the past and a new set of boundaries.

Sure the squad and team need investment, but its more subjective then an absolute crux - 1. Are the optimol players available, will
there be better ones in four months, are they good value now and is the lad recruiting them KT going to be here in four months time - if not why do we trust him to sink cash now. Too many plates spinning to say there is a single crux. Spending clearly has an objective impact on the football club therefore optimal spending is a strong consideration. We just cant waste money any more.

I do say our situation has changed, because it has, we are in a healthier position then two fixtures ago. At this stage last season Luton has 20 points - Wolves and Ipswich have 16, we're tracking well and posting performances. Its a hard man that says there hasn't been a positive change in the club in the last three weeks.

Again on your last point bad players wont improve us - so there is zero point in doing it, we should have a higher threshold in recruitment now - rather then continuing the same defeatist cycle, the players have to be to improve us over the next 3-5 years - if they do im on board. I dont want more rubbish for the sake of it - Willian on an 18 month deal - 100k a week - like we did with Dele Alli.

 

[efcfanwirral]

Players are available at the price we supposedly can afford based on psr. We are not just capable to decide on targets, then when decide on targets we are just not capable of closing the deal. We must be the worst negotiators in the entire pl. It's a disgrace really, and the fact that TFG has been around for a few weeks now and also probably very much aware of the legacy issues as part of due diligence, but yet nothing its done about it, it's very concerning.

There's probably a middle ground in that we have a PSR limit, and have targets at different prices and need to work out whether we go for say 3 cheaper players, 2 less cheap players or even one big player. When maybe if there was no PSR we could just go for who we actually want.

 

[micknick]

WHY CANT PEOPLE SPELL LOSE, WE SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH PRACTICE

 

[GrandOldTeam]

But we didn't loose those two and our situation has improved on those around us. You surely react to the context your in, rather then an imaginary one.

Again im not sure what point you are making, im happy to make signings, my demarcation is if we sign a player with a profile who will be here and improve the club, over a 3-5 year period - 100% on board. If we are Dele Allis, Walcotss, Tosuns, Schnederlin, El Gazi's then im not. Its that simple really - id rather do nothing then the former 100%. If that the choice that my answer, it has to be quality over quantity, there has to be a break with he dysfunctional recruitment cycles of the pass and a new set of boundaries.

Sure the squad and team ned investment, but its more subjective then an absulte crux - 1. Are the optimol players available, will thehere be better ones in four months, are they good value now and is thelad KT going to be here in four months time - if not why do we trust him to sink cash now. Too many plates spinning to say there is a single crux. Spending clearly has an objective impact on the football club therefore optimal spending is strong consideration. We just cant waste money any more.

I do say our situation has changed, because it has, we are in a healthier position then two fixtures ago. At this stage last season Luton has 20 points, we;re tracking well and posting performances. Its a hard man that says there hasn't been a positive change in the club in the last three weeks.

Again on your last point bad players wont improve us - so there is zero point in doing it, we should have a higher threshold in recruitment now - rather the continuing the same defeatist cycle, the players have to be to improve us over the next 3-5 years - if they do im on board. I dont want more rubbish for the sake of it - Willian on an 18 month deal - 100k a week - like we did with Dele Alli.

Your transfer policy shouldn't shift based on the results of 2 games.

2 more games and we could be 1 result away from the drop.

I also don't think it's subjective that this team needs investment.

You should always be trying to sign players who improve you.

Btw, Dele Alli - see your point but the irony is without his contribution, we'd likely have gone down that season. Not just talking his Palace game either, he also helped us rescue a point at the death vs Leicester.