Everton, our summer transfers and short term cost control regulations

[Ihaters]

If I owned say a market stall and sold a cheap Everton cup for £300m to Everton to put in the managers office as part of the furniture...
I then invested £300m in advertising my market stall at say... um.. I dunno.. ooh Everton would be good... Despite my market stall only having one cup that I just sold..

Despite the obviousness of it. Would that be legal?

 

[roydo]

If I owned say a market stall and sold a cheap Everton cup for £300m to Everton to put in the managers office as part of the furniture...
I then invested £300m in advertising my market stall at say... um.. I dunno.. ooh Everton would be good... Despite my market stall only having one cup that I just sold..

Despite the obviousness of it. Would that be legal?

Well thats pretty much what City have been doing!

 

[scratchnsurf]

Yes, but the players value also goes down in consideration of the length left on the contract when we sell.

I know that, what I'm saying is that there is potential for manipulation. Agree a discounted price in advance with the other club, agree increased wages for shorter contract length with the player and then all parties can potentially benefit.

 

[bobbydigital]

I know that, what I'm saying is that there is potential for manipulation. Agree a discounted price in advance with the other club, agree increased wages for shorter contract length with the player and then all parties can potentially benefit.

I see what you mean but apart from in the short term, making profits on player trading isn't going to be of great importance to us. Any of this kind of manipulation will take a while for us to actually realise the profit and I would say the negative effects of such a situation (lower transfer fee we receive and high wages expense) would outweigh the player trading profits created.

 

[evertony]

Yes there's always ways to fudge rules, but looking pragmatically Stones is the easiest option, and the most readily remedied - particularly as his heart seems set on a move to City anyway.

He's a huge United fan apparently according to a guy I know through business and who is very close to the Barnsley chairman that sold him cheap....why would he go to City?

 

[evertony]

Trying to read a thread Bizzaro has hijacked is impossible.

I'd rather keep Stones but I suppose if it's for the good and future of the club maybe a necessary sacrifice. I would be gutted though, he's too good for City.

Why is it for the good and future of the Club? He's potentially the best centre-back this country has produced for decades - keep him at all costs.

I recall Kenwright was pilloried left, right and centre for selling Arteta 'for the good and future of the Club', ditto Wayne Rooney. Why is this more acceptable to our fans when he's such a tremendous player? I just don't get the logic.

 

[Darren Higgs]

We just need moshiri.com to.sponsor the training kit to the tune of 40mil for 1 season. Problem solved.

 

[The Esk]

He's a huge United fan apparently according to a guy I know through business and who is very close to the Barnsley chairman that sold him cheap....why would he go to City?

His representatives have recently informed the club he's wanting to go to City.

 

[The Esk]

If I owned say a market stall and sold a cheap Everton cup for £300m to Everton to put in the managers office as part of the furniture...
I then invested £300m in advertising my market stall at say... um.. I dunno.. ooh Everton would be good... Despite my market stall only having one cup that I just sold..

Despite the obviousness of it. Would that be legal?

The board of the Premier League have the right to inspect any transactions of this nature and will apply various tests including assessing fair market value.

 

[bluestevon]

He's a huge United fan apparently according to a guy I know through business and who is very close to the Barnsley chairman that sold him cheap....why would he go to City?

Because after the age of about 12 what team you support doesn't really matter mate if your a professional footballer

City are in much better shape over the past 3 years than United are
City have the better manager - especially so for someone with Stones style as a defender
City have more money
City are much more likely to win things than United
City will play in the CL next season not the EL like United


Also a lad from Barnsley may be a huge United fan, but he won't have that same sense as a lad from Manchester would have about the derby rivalry etc anyway, and throw in what i said about it not really mattering for footy players who they support - unles ofc your talking about Liverpool in which case they almost demand that anyone they sign has always been a boyhood red

 

[bluestevon]

Why is it for the good and future of the Club? He's potentially the best centre-back this country has produced for decades - keep him at all costs.

I recall Kenwright was pilloried left, right and centre for selling Arteta 'for the good and future of the Club', ditto Wayne Rooney. Why is this more acceptable to our fans when he's such a tremendous player? I just don't get the logic.

Because theres a huge difference in selling a player for the good of the club in the sense of it papering over a financial mess and lack of investment - like with the Rooney and Arteta sales - they are sales to cover the Chairman/owners arse

and selling a player because without it you are stymied on being able to change the financial structure of the club as fast as you would like to do

Would you rather everton take 3-4 years to be contesting at the top of the table but do so with stones in the side still when they do get their

or would you prefer everton to be contesting at that level from next season - but without stones int he side?

Black and white the way i've stated it, but in essence thats the scenario faced

 

[bobbydigital]

Why is it for the good and future of the Club? He's potentially the best centre-back this country has produced for decades - keep him at all costs.

I recall Kenwright was pilloried left, right and centre for selling Arteta 'for the good and future of the Club', ditto Wayne Rooney. Why is this more acceptable to our fans when he's such a tremendous player? I just don't get the logic.

We need to make some significant player trading profits in order to increase wages substantially as we intend to do. I think there are other players we could try and sell instead to make it work but as @The Esk says it does appear Stones wants to leave which does makes the situation a lot easier to sort.

I'm very wary of selling as he is definitely destined for big things and I don't think it will be easy at all replace the player he potentially becomes. Admittedly, we could get someone decent in now who is at a similar level and not change much in the upcoming season. What I worry about is three years down the track when we could potentially be looking for a great defender to really make us a top side in Europe and we are sitting there going imagine if we still had John Stones.

Players move clubs and clubs bring in new good players all the time but I really think doing everything you can to hang on to the truly gifted players is a must.

 

[orly]

His representatives have recently informed the club he's wanting to go to City.

Yep unfortunately this has been on the cards for a bit according to the lad on BlueMoon. £45m is the deal.

 

[Darth Toffeeman]

His representatives have recently informed the club he's wanting to go to City.

Perhaps he meant he wanted to go into the City... to buy some stuff?

Whatever his desires are he would be a complete idiot to leave Everton at the moment. Koeman will make him the best defender in the league, Guadiola and Citeh would ruin him.

 

[bluestevon]

We need to make some significant player trading profits in order to increase wages substantially as we intend to do. I think there are other players we could try and sell instead to make it work but as @The Esk says it does appear Stones wants to leave which does makes the situation a lot easier to sort.

I'm very wary of selling as he is definitely destined for big things and I don't think it will be easy at all replace the player he potentially becomes. Admittedly, we could get someone decent in now who is at a similar level and not change much in the upcoming season. What I worry about is three years down the track when we could potentially be looking for a great defender to really make us a top side in Europe and we are sitting there going imagine if we still had John Stones.

Players move clubs and clubs bring in new good players all the time but I really think doing everything you can to hang on to the truly gifted players is a must.

Thought we'd lose him last season myself mate, so since then although he stayed, never felt like he would be here the way i originally thought 3 years ago he would be.

Yeah he may well go on to becoem a truly world class player, and my gut instinct says he will do so, but if it allows the club to jump up another level and make us truly competitive at the top of the table (no guarantees obviously) then maybe it's one of those bitter pills we have to swallow

we keep him then 3 years down the track we may have done nowt special either as esk explained very well, we dont have a big sale then really we are unable to invest in anything like the way we will be able to with a sale (basically a sale fast tracks the entire thing 2 -3 years)