Everton, our summer transfers and short term cost control regulations

[madkiwi]

What are the chances of us selling Stones this year, and then Lukaku next, so we can spend a net £100 million this year, and more than that again next year? @The Esk

 

[The Esk]

What are the chances of us selling Stones this year, and then Lukaku next, so we can spend a net £100 million this year, and more than that again next year? @The Esk

The issue is not what we spend on transfers but how we cope with the anticipated rise in salaries of existing players and incoming players given the STCC stipulate we can only spend last year's figure plus £7 million.

To spend more we need to generate more non broadcasting income. We can do that by increasing commercial and/or sponsorship revenues but I don't think that's going to be significant this next year (2016/17).

Thus the only way to increase income is to make a profit on player sales. The amount of profit will determine how much we can increase our salaries by.

My view is that selling Stones represents the best way of achieving this in terms of profit, ease, and impact on team/ability to acquire similar replacement.

It's not an exercise I expect us to have to repeat the following year.

 

[Nymzee]

Pure stupidity resigning Gibson if we need wages for new players + increased contracts.

Howard
Hibbert
Osman
Pienaar

+ If we can sell Niasse for the same or more than we paid upfront e.g £5mil then we also save his wages

Coleman + Cleverley as well could be moved on as well as others like McGeady, McAleny etc etc


No need to sell Stones whatsoever.

We can still get a fee for Gibson. Simple.

 

[DownSouthBlue]

Could Farhad not offer new signings minimum wage to play for Everton but give them a second job in one of his companies for 100k a week?

Similer to what City have been exploiting since they got done for FFP 2 seasons ago.

They have some how created another business venture ie "companies house" that funnels a % of the players wages into ,The wage bill when they got caught to the following season went down to around 50-60 million and that was after a spending spree last summer.

Hire some accountants/lawyers that City obviously did and do something similer,PSG probably did the same after they got caught.if i recall both got caught at the same time and were fined by UEFA.

 

[toffeejack]

@The Esk with regards to this, our first big of major transfer business isn't relying on shifting stones first is it? I'm guessing it doesn't matter which way around deals are done, as long as our summer business on a whole fits within the FFP structure you mention.

This is in no way me asking do we have to sell to buy ha i know that's not the case.

 

[Darth Toffeeman]

@The Esk with regards to this, our first big of major transfer business isn't relying on shifting stones first is it? I'm guessing it doesn't matter which way around deals are done, as long as our summer business on a whole fits within the FFP structure you mention.

This is in no way me asking do we have to sell to buy ha i know that's not the case.

I would imagine we will get in who we need first whilst consistently spinning the financial plates. If we can acquire the playing staff Koeman wants and move on individuals without the need to sell Stones (He may want to stay and be champions at Everton as any sane person would), then that would be the sensible way to go. I am certain that whatever happens it will be for the best interests of Everton going forward rather than what we have witnessed through star player sales in the recent past.

 

[Nymzee]

It's safer to buy before selling. If people know we have even more money our asking prices will go up.

 

[Jacko93]

@The Esk

Who does Goodison belong to? Is that under the ownership of Everton Football Club, or was it part of the deal with what Moshiri bought? Could he use Blue Heaven to purchase a revamped, and slightly more valuable, Goodison park and put that money as non broadcast income? Could that be the reason that he never bought over the 49% so that Goodison doesn't become under the ownership of Blue Heaven? Wonder what the value of Goodison would be? £0.5m - £0.75m per acre? Ground sits on circa 9 acres.... potential for £5-7m there.

Probably chatting bubbles, but I'm just trying to think outside of the box.

 

[AmericanBlue]

I just don't see how there are not any loopholes. I don't remember the huge clubs like Chelsea or City selling for big fees to be able to bring in very expensive players. Admittedly I am completely uneducated when it comes to these matters but more often than not, there are ways around some of these rules.

What is the fine for breaking the rules? Is it a player sale kind of fine (in terms of $$) or something astronomical (much more $$) or point reduction type of penalty, which obviously would be a complete non starter.

 

[atrottel]

It's not an exercise I expect us to have to repeat the following year.

I understand the rationale wrt player salaries and the differences in profit on player sales between, say, a Lukaku and a Stones.

However, given that we are likely to be buying high-priced high-salaried players (if the likes of Mata or Witsel are true), we are still going to be left behind comparatively when it comes to player salaries at the top of the PL (we may be matching Spurs' total last year but everyone else is also going to be increasing their budgets).

So, with an unconfirmed stadium and any kinds of naming rights shenanigans still years away, what are the options for the immediate years following which do not involve us selling any more 'home-grown' profitable treasures? (Added: given that the new purchases are unlikely to be as profitable.)

 

[chazzle_dazzle]

I understand the rationale wrt player salaries and the differences in profit on player sales between, say, a Lukaku and a Stones.

However, given that we are likely to be buying high-priced high-salaried players (if the likes of Mata or Witsel are true), we are still going to be left behind comparatively when it comes to player salaries at the top of the PL (we may be matching Spurs' total last year but everyone else is also going to be increasing their budgets).

So, with an unconfirmed stadium and any kinds of naming rights shenanigans still years away, what are the options for the immediate years following which do not involve us selling any more 'home-grown' profitable treasures? (Added: given that the new purchases are unlikely to be as profitable.)

Would it not be commercial deals? IE Chang is up at the end of the season, and am sure there will be other commercials which will be getting negotiated to increase revenue.

 

[ToffeeDoug]

I just don't see how there are not any loopholes. I don't remember the huge clubs like Chelsea or City selling for big fees to be able to bring in very expensive players. Admittedly I am completely uneducated when it comes to these matters but more often than not, there are ways around some of these rules.

What is the fine for breaking the rules? Is it a player sale kind of fine (in terms of $$) or something astronomical (much more $$) or point reduction type of penalty, which obviously would be a complete non starter.

In turn:

a) I guess the 'bigger clubs' who have been spending colossal sums on wages for several seasons now already have the high amount of non-broadcasting revenue in place to cover it
b) fine and/or points deduction; from what The Esk said earlier, the amount of the fine is not laid out in advance and would be an arbitrary decision from the Premier League, so it is not known in advance that if you go x% or £xm over, then the fine will be definitely £ym.

 

[ToffeeDoug]

If we absolutely had to, I'm sure we could find a sponsor to re-name GP for the last couple of seasons, that would be money in the non-broadcasting revenue pot. Something catchy like The Metalloinvest Stadium, and Usmanov slides us a cool £5m a season.

 

[Nymzee]

I understand the rationale wrt player salaries and the differences in profit on player sales between, say, a Lukaku and a Stones.

However, given that we are likely to be buying high-priced high-salaried players (if the likes of Mata or Witsel are true), we are still going to be left behind comparatively when it comes to player salaries at the top of the PL (we may be matching Spurs' total last year but everyone else is also going to be increasing their budgets).

So, with an unconfirmed stadium and any kinds of naming rights shenanigans still years away, what are the options for the immediate years following which do not involve us selling any more 'home-grown' profitable treasures? (Added: given that the new purchases are unlikely to be as profitable.)

Commercial.

 

[Nymzee]

I just don't see how there are not any loopholes. I don't remember the huge clubs like Chelsea or City selling for big fees to be able to bring in very expensive players. Admittedly I am completely uneducated when it comes to these matters but more often than not, there are ways around some of these rules.

What is the fine for breaking the rules? Is it a player sale kind of fine (in terms of $$) or something astronomical (much more $$) or point reduction type of penalty, which obviously would be a complete non starter.

Firstly FFP wasn't as stringent when they got took over and secondly we have to sell to buy this summer because of STTC (correct acronym @The Esk?) not FFP which is a downfall of our poor finances up till now.