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Everton, our summer transfers and short term cost control regulations

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bluestevon said:
Because we have at least one club that is willing to meet the valuation we have set on stones, and none who have shown willingness to meet the clubs valuation of Lukaku, added to that, the press have obviously been getting briefed about us wanting to keep hold of Lukaku, the leaked wage offer for example and talking about the meetings with Riaola and his subsequent change of tone following that (added to Lukaku for once shutting up and passing the question about his everton future entirely to his agent - in stark contrast to his normal motor mouth talking up leaving response)

Club has been very quiet about Stones - no stories about a new deal etc

Disregarding what they may both become int he future, right at this minute we have a choice apparently between keeping hold of a prolific 23yo forward or keeping hold of a greatly talented ball playing centre back, going into next season i know which one keeping hold off will improve our chances for the season and which one short term at least is much more easily replaceable[/Q

Which valuation and which Club....and where is the direct quote from both Everton and said club with the details? Again, it's all somebody's opinion as opposed to fact. A really ambitious club would be looking at keeping both.
The argument to say we need to sell Stones or Lukaku to buy five more players is again opinion - why not look for three players of the ilk suggested and keep two who are already here and of that level or greater? I'm not suggesting the original poster is wrong or his argument is flawed just that it's an opinion and there are lots of other permutations. Personally, I don't understand advocating getting rid of that quality of player to afford others, unless they really want to leave or the manager believes they don't meet his criteria. That said, the way Lukaku or his advisors have behaved can only have left a negative impression with the owners and decision makers within Everton....I'm really struggling to know how we should deal with him....ship him out or reward him.
Agents are a disease.....Stones was badly advised and terribly manipulated last season and perhaps Lukaku is too. Another couple of goals this weekend from Lukaku though may have him chatting bubbles again I think.
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Zatara said:
Pure stupidity resigning Gibson if we need wages for new players + increased contracts.

Howard
Hibbert
Osman
Pienaar

+ If we can sell Niasse for the same or more than we paid upfront e.g £5mil then we also save his wages

Coleman + Cleverley as well could be moved on as well as others like McGeady, McAleny etc etc


No need to sell Stones whatsoever.
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Sell Coleman?
 
Zatara said:
Pure stupidity resigning Gibson if we need wages for new players + increased contracts.

Howard
Hibbert
Osman
Pienaar

+ If we can sell Niasse for the same or more than we paid upfront e.g £5mil then we also save his wages

Coleman + Cleverley as well could be moved on as well as others like McGeady, McAleny etc etc


No need to sell Stones whatsoever.
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Selling Coleman is really nonsense if you understand football.

You don't seem to realise Stones wants to go, wanted to go end of last season. We can cash in and be happy and so will he. There is a need to sell him, but we have to play hard and retrieve the best price we can. We will.
 

honestly mate, i would absolutely love us to keep Stones, and when i said that i believed it, but having chatted to esk on the forum, a lot of my math was out for starters and i can see the reason why we would sell, not out of needing the money to stay afloat, neither for a reason of giving into a player or due to the buckling to the will of a 'bigger' club.

but out of the best interest of moving the club forwards at the speed the owner wants.

would i be far happiers if we could raise it in other ways - damn right i would, both stones last summer and lukaku for a good whilst have left a bad taste in their actions, but thats modern footballers for ya. and they are both good and potentially brilliant players.

got to the point that i trust the owner and his plans and have to just back his decision on what will get us back to where we all want to be
 

AmericanBlue said:
Selling Coleman is really nonsense if you understand football.

You don't seem to realise Stones wants to go, wanted to go end of last season. We can cash in and be happy and so will he. There is a need to sell him, but we have to play hard and retrieve the best price we can. We will.
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Your 1st sentence is nonsense if youve seen him oast 2 seasons and compare with Stones. If you rate coleman higher than stones then YOU dont understand football.

Also there are no signs stones wants to leave under the current management.
 
Zatara said:
Hows that?
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because and it's just my opinion mate, so far lots of little things are starting to add up into a bigger picture

taken in isolation they may seem trivial, taken as a whole they give the sense that something seismic is happening around the club
 
bluestevon said:
because and it's just my opinion mate, so far lots of little things are starting to add up into a bigger picture

taken in isolation they may seem trivial, taken as a whole they give the sense that something seismic is happening around the club
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Change of management
New board member
Gibson extention

Thats all isnt it? First 2 are standard really.
 

kithnou said:
McCarthy, Cleverley, Coleman and Funes Mori would do it. Just saying.
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Hmm, Coleman is one of the best in the league though, and Funes has the potential to be a great premier league defender.
McCarthy is decent too.
Besides then its extra numbers to replace on top of the ones we've already gotten rid of this summer.
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
Kiwi said:
Hmm, Coleman is one of the best in the league though, and Funes has the potential to be a great premier league defender.
McCarthy is decent too.
Besides then its extra numbers to replace on top of the ones we've already gotten rid of this summer.
I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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McCarthy is decent too?
 
Zatara said:
Change of management
New board member
Gibson extention

Thats all isnt it? First 2 are standard really.
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Riaola backtracking hugely on prior statements after meeting the new board member tied in with rumours from other agents that went around that everton are a club now on their radar to do business with
A increasing amount of media stories reflecting the club in a positive light and a clear direction away from the punching above our weight type pieces that prevailed the past 10 years
People with connections inside the club sayuing that if anything things are being understated - and decent journalists starting to cototn onto this as well, with stories about the wage structure of the club being smashed
a rapid increase in the calibre of player linked with
Clear signs of movement on the new ground - and a complete U turn in stance towards the club by the Anderson
The pushing out into a much more peripheral role of the 'old guard' Elstone, Kenwright etc

just off the top of my head mate
 

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