Everton Summer 2024 Transfer Thread

[GoldenToffee]

Yes. I said at the time and several times since -- the decision was made to keep Coleman and Young around so there cant be any complaints about "lack of money".

Those 2 will be £100k a week. Add on Harrison and we'll willingly be paying £170-190k for 3 terrible players.

The only logic was to have the 3 of them as stopgaps until the stadium and new ownership. But these players are dreadful and overpaid.

Add Keane, Mykolenko, McNeil, Maupay, Holgate and Beto and it's a tad under half a million a week. These are all crap players that wouldn't get a game elsewhere in this division.

The club only has itself to blame for the current situation and the points deductions last season and any that are forthcoming.

Haha.

 

[bluestevon]

Chermiti and Beto were only signed because they were £0 upfront. How many strikers can you sign that allow literally, £0 upfront? That massively reduces the shortlist. It's indicative of the challenge we've had.

I don't think Dyche makes any shout/has major influence on any transfer that has a fee - as mad as that sounds. It's a problem IMO - it feels like we have a recruitment team making decisions without the manager. Things like Dyche wanted to keep Iwobi.

I don't think we have Dyche saying "lash nearly £20m at OBrien" an then pretty much saying he's not a better than Michael Keane. There's no way on gods earth Dyche is saying "spend £10m+ on this lad, 4th choice at Sporting, Chermiti" either.

I'm sure Bobble said OBrien was a recruitment team signing/not a Dyche one - and it has shown. Its part of why I was saying Keane would start yesterday.

If you see the stats I put up on Keane though mate, then it shows simply Dyche has favourites regardless of how effective they are

 

[bluestevon]

We've spent tens of millions on players in Dyche's reign and still pay good wages, comparatively to the clubs you think are miles better than us. Yes, we've had to spend money recouped from sales but we've spent money. If those players are still not good enough then the question is why not? You can put the blame on Thelwell and Moshiri , and Lord knows they deserve it, but Dyche signed off on those players and still can't get a tune out of them. The question I'm asking is why not? I'm not convinced that even if we had hundreds of millions to spend we'd see any improvement because everything in Sean Dyche's career points to this being exactly how he wants to set up and play. He has less choices than other managers, that I agree with, however he has choices, this is his squad now, it's built in his image. You love banging on about hipsters but you don't have to be a hipster to see that the style of football we play, the same style Dyche played at Burnley, is from a bygone era. Nobody plays that style, hipsters or otherwise. He'll probably keep us up, I acknowledge that, but the club will be worse in the long run for his tenure.

Aye I'm not sure why the choice is always, Dyche or hipster manager.

That would suggest Dyche is a typical manager not an outlying extreme the polar end of hipster.

How about a solid proven manager who isn't stuck in the 70s mentality wise.

 

[bluestevon]

And that's definitely part of why are recruitment is going wrong. Just because someone is available with a small up front payment, doesn't mean they should be signed. I feel like we signed the two strikers last summer for the sake of it, rather than just going all in on one better player.

It's the same this season. One minute we were trying to sign Gnonto. The next we hear is we've spent 17m on a centre half. I find it all pretty baffling to be honest.

Mate, if you sign two strikers with zero up front payment then to decide not and go all in in one would still give you exactly zero up front you could pay.

Gnoto and O'Brien thing, Leeds wanted circa 15m up front which we frankly just do not have to give, Lyon you'll find out will have accepted a very minimal initial payment likely no more than 3-4m on O'Brien.

Signings we have to make are ones allowing us to kick the can down the road until a change in owner and the ground move.
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It's the same as wondering why the old broke drunk always drinks in that one bar that allows him a tab rather than over the road at the better pub which doesn't

 

[yakublue]

Add Keane, Mykolenko, McNeil, Maupay, Holgate and Beto and it's a tad under half a million a week. These are all crap players that wouldn't get a game elsewhere in this division.

The club only has itself to blame for the current situation and the points deductions last season and any that are forthcoming.

Haha.

Maupay got 30 games elsewhere in this division last season

 

[The Binman]

Maupay got 30 games elsewhere in this division last season

And hes still utter turd

 

[bluestevon]

One of the reasons we have no fullbacks is because we re-signed two old and unreliable (for completely different reasons) RBs. Couple that with a younger full back who is on the outs with the manager for reasons that clearly aren't 100% football related and we couldn't justify signing a fourth RB. Again, that's a choice, as a club we decided that the money we did have to spend would be spent on other areas of the pitch. The idea that Sean Dyche had no agency in that decision making process seems fanciful.

Those two players are cheap, but they're not free, Harrison is quoted by some sources as being on as much as £90k a week. Even if he's on £70k a week that's over £3.5m a year. I've no idea how much Coleman and Young are on but I'd be shocked if it was less than £50k a week each, so that's another £5m. Did we really need both Coleman and Young on new contracts when Coleman is struggling to play for a lot of the season? Choices.

Harrison is on 80k, Coleman and Young assuming their new contracts were in the same terms as the previous ones are on 55k and 40k respectively.

To put that into some context btw, Garner is on 30k...

Least those are the most accurate figures I've found

 

[bluestevon]

Maybe, it's the perennial argument in this thread and others - "who signed player X"? Is it the DoF or the manager? Some posters are utterly convinced it's one way, other posters have complete conviction that the other is true. Who knows?
Something I do think, largely based on what's gone on this window, is that Thelwell and Dyche have very different views on how to develop the squad. I think that boils down to Dyche probably not being Thelwell's choice of manager and is emblematic of the structural problems at the club. That, I concede, is not Dyche's fault, it is all on that absolute moron Moshiri who doesn't seem to understand what a DoF is supposed to be.

Yup I agree, it's also why I think Thelwell is great for us, he actually understands that his job is to build a team for the club not a particular manager otherwise after Dyche you will have two choices, stay with a very similar style of manager - good luck finding one of those now as they are all dying off OR finding a manager they suits the players and system you are recruiting for, which imo is a more progressive style of manager.

 

[bluestevon]

We'll never know.

But do you think Dyche knew who Chermiti was? Do you think Dyche wanted Iroegbunam and it was a happy coincidence of a FFP swindle? Is Dyche calling for us to sign Danjuma when we wanted him before he was manager? Is Dyche saying lash nearly £20m at Textors best mate O'Brien to then put him on the bench behind Keane? Do we think Dyche wants Gnonto even though we've been trying to sign him since long before him?

To me, reading between the lines - I think Dyche is a passenger on recruitment.

Your reading between the lines is spot on I feel, as is mine that we are recruiting based upon the system that Thelwell thinks the club should have in place long term.

It's a short term nightmare but IF we survive, get to new ownership and the ground will ensure we aren't stuck with the ongoing problem of managers after Dyche having to be very similar or forcing a new manager to work with square pegs in round holes.

 

[Delargeinho]

Yup I agree, it's also why I think Thelwell is great for us, he actually understands that his job is to build a team for the club not a particular manager otherwise after Dyche you will have two choices, stay with a very similar style of manager - good luck finding one of those now as they are all dying off OR finding a manager they suits the players and system you are recruiting for, which imo is a more progressive style of manager.

In fact, the other factor apart from wages is that there is usually still a signing or agent fee for free transfers or loans.

We don't even have the money to get another loan as it seems...

 

[bluestevon]

This says to me that if the DOF and the manager aren’t on the same page, something has got to give. Either the manager or the DOF needs to change. It won’t for obvious reasons, but excluding a situation like Carlo or a top manager coming in, there should be synergy between the two. The DOF should get HIS coach.

Yup but until a new owner we are stuck with the legacy of an interfering owner and chairman.

 

[Saaby]

Surely in the world of football there are better players than Young and Mykolenko we can afford.

 

[bluestevon]

To be honest, if we're going to have a DoF, the DoF should be in charge. But that only works if the DoF and the manager are like minded. I'm not convinced that's the case here. I'm sure Dyche and Thelwell are doing their best to make it work but if they have different ideologies then it's a problem. O'Brien is a good example, I'm sure when Thelwell bought him he assumed that he'd be third choice after Branthwaite and Tarkowski and would then be Branthwaite's replacement in a year's time (hopefully not in a fortnight's time), and I can totally see the logic in that even though it's not a position I would personally have prioritised. But a DoF should never be able to overrule the manager on on field issues and if Dyche won't play him then that's that. It does illustrate the dysfunction at the club.

Yes and also to give the option if three at the back, feels like Thelwell is recruiting at times hoping Dyche will actually see what system suits the players, but he won't as he's a dinosaur.

 

[bluestevon]

We will offload Beto to them is my guess

 

[Toffe3m4n]

I don't reckon anyone else is coming in yeno. Gut feeling.