Everton Summer Transfer Thread - 2022

[WestStandLower]

Not sure that can happen because of player book values. I guess, at a stretch, it might work with both of the lads in your example being Chelsea academy products- but I wouldn't bank on it.

A more likely way it could work is if we sell Richie to them for around our £65 mill asking price, we then buy Broja from them for say £20 m and we agree to loan Gallagher from them with an obligation to buy. Think something like that set-up is more likely and would benefit us and them.

Player exchanges rarely happen for a variety of reasons clubs accounting being one thing, contractual obligations to players, agents and ex clubs being another all the while FFP really is best served when you achieve the most you can when you sell a player because the profit is one big and immediate hit income wise.

 

[Nymzee]

I like the bundesliga, but even Kenny looked half decent over there.

Incorrect

 

[WestStandLower]

Sorry but thats a load of nonsense.

You say Sportrac are "usually dependable".

Thats madness mate...theyre so far off its insane. For years people have quoted their figures which have been way off.

The ruling you mention e.g Webster ruling wont be used by Richarlison or any of those Chelsea players lol

"Protected" ?

What a stretch...

The numbers shown on Sportsrac dont include Employers NIC, image rights, benefits in kind or indeed bonuses . Their numbers are simply the gross weekly pay and even then the club totals do not include wages paid to players out on loan ( even though the player still remains on the parent clubs payroll) academy players , managers, coaches medics etc . It is near enough impossible by using the information in the public domain to prove or disprove Sportsracs numbers
But if you look back to my post I wasn’t talking in the case of Richarlison as to what he earns I was talking about the length of his contract

 

[AmericasToffee]

Haha he has the pompousness of a professional wrestler even the referring to himself in the third person. Which is a clear indicator of sliminess

He's like Zlatan without being world class

 

[Marius57]

Incorrect

I'm not sure you can tell me I'm incorrect about my opinion of liking the bundesliga

But from what I've read about his time there, he was highly rated by Schalke and did allright.

 

[Nymzee]

I'm not sure you can tell me I'm incorrect about my opinion of liking the bundesliga

But from what I've read about his time there, he was highly rated by Schalke and did allright.

No, I'm telling you he wasn't half decent over there. I watched him.

 

[Marius57]

No, I'm telling you he wasn't half decent over there. I watched him.

OK, I'll take your word over any of the articles ive read, or interviews with his manager at the time etc.

 

[Nymzee]

OK, I'll take your word over any of the articles ive read, or interviews with his manager at the time etc.

You should. We have interviews with our manager telling us how good Coleman, Kenny, Holgate, Keane etc. are if you remember.

 

[Dwight K Schrute]

Player exchanges rarely happen for a variety of reasons clubs accounting being one thing, contractual obligations to players, agents and ex clubs being another all the while FFP really is best served when you achieve the most you can when you sell a player because the profit is one big and immediate hit income wise.

Yeah that's what I'm kind of getting at. The closest you get to a trade these days is unusually 2 different player transactions. So in the scenario I gave, if Chelsea really wanted Richarlison, they buy him for roughly the price we want, we then buy Broja (a player who is likely to be a bit part player for them) for slightly less than they want for him. And then the sweetener would be allowing us to be the team to take Gallagher on loan.

That's more the kind of outcome I would expect. Would also suit both parties.

 

[bluestevon]

I touched on this in an earlier post.

I wouldn’t at all be surprised if a player did move from SB . The three players you mention are possibly loan options ( remembering of course the one player restriction ) but I doubt that any of them will be sold and add to that number Colwill who again I just can’t see being sold at this point in time.

I floated the name Ampadu and whilst you won’t want to even consider FL rated Ross B . There are other possibilities such Loftus Cheek or Hudson Odi but all are under contract and they might not fancy the gig

At the end of the day if I were the agent of Richarlison I would tell him to sit tight

He rated Barkley that much he loaned him out mate, soon as the transfer ban was over. A manager who rates a player doesn't loan him out in his mid 20s

 

[bluestevon]

I touched on this in an earlier post.

I wouldn’t at all be surprised if a player did move from SB . The three players you mention are possibly loan options ( remembering of course the one player restriction ) but I doubt that any of them will be sold and add to that number Colwill who again I just can’t see being sold at this point in time.

I floated the name Ampadu and whilst you won’t want to even consider FL rated Ross B . There are other possibilities such Loftus Cheek or Hudson Odi but all are under contract and they might not fancy the gig

At the end of the day if I were the agent of Richarlison I would tell him to sit tight

At the time he moved on loan to Fulham btw, reports where RLC contract was around 150k pw, given one of the people quoting that was good ol' 'Arry and the contract was signed when Lampard was manager - then I'm saying that's nearer the mark than sportrecs guess

No chance you can offload him on that wedge. Barkley on that Villa loan killed the chance of anyone offering him similar wages to what he's on at Chelsea - even with one season left mate he won't move for a longer contract - remember how you got him in the first place - the lad will sit out and collect his wage then go on a free in 12 months as per his agents instructions (he's thicker than week old gravy).

 

[chippy1722]

I said that as well previously, will have to be funded from sales.

If your in talks to buy a club you’d be mad to let them sell their assets.
Selling a player for £50/60m would make a massive difference to the price you are gonna pay.

 

[Llyrap]

Richarlinson is an interesting one because Sportsrac( usually dependable ) dont show any contract extension even though it was heralded on the official Everton site.

Richarlison de Andrade

Richarlison de Andrade contract and salary cap details, contract breakdowns, dead money, and news.

www.spotrac.com

All contracts in football have a end date of 30/6 irrespective of when they are signed. So his current deal has in effect completed 3 football years 2019/20-2020/21 & now 21/22

Under what is called Article 17 players under the age of 28 after completing 3 years can in effect just buy themselves out of their contract. Article 17 is more commonly known as the Webster Ruling. It doesn’t happen often although it’s rumoured that Lewandowski has either applied the Article or at least threatened to use it to get out of his Bayern contract . It’s really only ever used when players want something such as a transfer, a contract uplift or the like.

As for contract extensions any decent agent will have already agreed to pay rises when the original contract includes an option to extend in terms of FIFAs take on how automatic contract extensions move for the protected period I don’t know but any uplift in terms ( which I floated in my original post ) has to be registered at the FA as a new contract so the option that Chelsea triggered is more than likely to be on different terms to the one signed in 20/21 season which even then wasn’t signed 3 years ago

I readily acknowledge that it’s possible that Richarlison cant yet apply the ruling but come December it will be 3 years in calendar terms but that said you cant buy yourself out of a contract in such a manner mid season.

What about the Matuzalem ruling?

 

[WestStandLower]

He rated Barkley that much he loaned him out mate, soon as the transfer ban was over. A manager who rates a player doesn't loan him out in his mid 20s

I think you miss the point in that there is only so many players over 21 that can be included in a squad. Because he couldn’t cement a place in Chelsea’s squad doesn’t mean the manger didn’t rate him the likelihood was that Lampard had better options

Frank Lampard rates Ross Barkley’s season and explains why he can be a ‘big player’ for Chelsea | Official Site | Chelsea Football Club

Frank Lampard has spoken in depth about Ross Barkley ahead of today’s meeting with his former club Everton, explaining why the midfielder has a big role to play at Chelsea and what he must continue to do for that to remain the case.

www.chelseafc.com

 

[billyblue80]

If you read my post I make mention of the Everton article. My reference to Article 17 was because I was asked to explain protected period in the context of player contracts

Despite the reluctance to acknowledge Sportsrac they are as good a source as any.

Of course Richarlison has value but that will only be determined by the market and that market shrinks if a player is stating where he will or won’t go.

Has he stated beyond wanting a CL club? He has a value its 60m+ for me and a club will pay it because its reasonable for a player like him he will be even better in the right team.