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Everton Summer transfers 2021

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Tubey said:
I doubt it very much. The same excuse is made for Van der Beek; truth is he's lightweight, technically proficient but can't cut the league. Depay looks tremendous in France, would be a fish out of water here, as proven already.

Davy Klaassen is doing great at Ajax again. Funny that.
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Nah I'm not making the same excuse for either of them because no system suits a #10 who barely involves himself in the play. You can check out Sigurdsson, Gylfi for more information on that one. Depay isn't that, he's a player who thrives on attacking at pace and in teams that do that he'll be useful and in teams that don't he won't.

Very different for me if you can look beyond the country they started playing in.
 
TheBigIguana said:
What?

Seriously Depay would be good in England in the right team, I'm not sure how good, but playing in a Van Gaal side he'd be terrible in England, Netherlands, Algeria, Costa Rica, wherever because it isn't playing to what he's good at.

What's funny is neither is Koeman most likely so it wouldn't surprise me if he struggled at Barca.
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Depay has had a cruciate injury and I’m always wary of buying those players given Everton’s tendency to destroy fit and healthy ones, we don’t need one already with preexisting problems.
 
Stephenlloyd said:
But we could have been in a worse Situation in 12months had he stayed. I get the feeling most fans aren’t bothered he’s gone. My only disappointment is we have to start again and we probably won’t attract some big names now.

I fell into the trap of wanting it all straight away. Now we need a proper process. Hopefully Brands now runs the ship. And he will either buy the players and get a coach who fits style that Brands wants. Or he get a manager/coach who works with him on recruitment.

I think James will go. Allan I think will stay he has 2yrs left and nobody is giving us our money back. He also seems a decent guy.

If we loose a Richarlison, then so be it. We needed at 4/5 players this summer. If we end up needing 6/7, there’s not much we can do.

To me i see it as a positive. A chance to finally do what we should have done 4yrs ago.
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I don't think big names is what we need. We need young players with hunger passion and trying to make a name for themselves. Part of me isn't that fussed about Carlo. We'll just have to wait and see where we go from here I guess. Quite telling watching a fat Sam interview recently where we lost at spurs and Arsenal and he blamed the application of the players. Seems to be a continuous problem with us
 
TheBigIguana said:
Nah I'm not making the same excuse for either of them because no system suits a #10 who barely involves himself in the play. You can check out Sigurdsson, Gylfi for more information on that one. Depay isn't that, he's a player who thrives on attacking at pace and in teams that do that he'll be useful and in teams that don't he won't.

Very different for me if you can look beyond the country they started playing in.
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Sorry but for me it's always a case of looking for excuses. It's like Lukaku - "oh, United didn't suit him" - nah, he just couldn't cut it, went to an inferior league, bangs them in and looks incredible. The system isn't the reason, the standard of the league is, as you'd quickly see if he's ever foolish enough to come back here.

Certain leagues you treat as a punt when it comes for players; Holland and France are certainly two of them. You hope for the best, but you don't put big money on it unless you're absolutely certain they're exceptional, like Mbappe. For the players 'in the middle' in terms of ability, there's a ciggy paper in between being good enough and not good enough for the Premier League.
 

Tubey said:
Sorry but for me it's always a case of looking for excuses. It's like Lukaku - "oh, United didn't suit him" - nah, he just couldn't cut it, went to an inferior league, bangs them in and looks incredible. The system isn't the reason, the standard of the league is, as you'd quickly see if he's ever foolish enough to come back here.

Certain leagues you treat as a punt when it comes for players; Holland and France are certainly two of them. You hope for the best, but you don't put big money on it unless you're absolutely certain they're exceptional, like Mbappe. For the players 'in the middle' in terms of ability, there's a ciggy paper in between being good enough and not good enough for the Premier League.
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I forgot you think Lukaku was the problem at United and won't give him credit still.

Moving on...
 
TheBigIguana said:
I forgot you think Lukaku was the problem at United and won't give him credit still.

Moving on...
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lol

All I can say is it's weird I was the only person to accurately predict pretty much exactly how his career would go, years before he even left Everton. Again, funny that. Almost like I'm obviously right about it.
 
Tubey said:
lol

All I can say is it's weird I was the only person to accurately predict pretty much exactly how his career would go, years before he even left Everton. Again, funny that. Almost like I'm obviously right about it.
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Yeah you were really accurate with your constant droning about how he'll never win anything...

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Tubey said:
It's not just Everton. Janssen at Spurs, Afonso Alves at Boro, Altidore at Sland, Depay and Van der Beek at United etc. etc. etc.

It's a poor league. Defensively atrocious so attackers have a field day at the bigger clubs. You get the odd genuine talent like a Suarez or Van Nistelrooy but it's basically a lucky dip.
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Yeah either it's a lucky dip, or some players have skills that are identifiable and transferable and others don't. It's really hard to know which is which, but it's 100% the second one in case you weren't sure.
 

Lanolin said:
Yeah either it's a lucky dip, or some players have skills that are identifiable and transferable and others don't. It's really hard to know which is which, but it's 100% the second one in case you weren't sure.
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Ah there's the thing though - 'identifiable' AND 'transferrable'. The problem with the Dutch league is exactly that.

Vincent Janssen and Ruud Van Nistelrooy were both six foot plus goalscoring machines in Holland; one was much, much better than the other, but put them in the same team in the same era in Holland and you'd have massive difficulties guessing which was which. Afonso Alves' goalscoring record was better than pretty much anyone ever from that league, on paper he looked a no brainer, in practice he was horrendous when put in a stronger league. It's a gamble every time.
 
Tubey said:
Ah there's the thing though - 'identifiable' AND 'transferrable'. The problem with the Dutch league is exactly that.

Vincent Janssen and Ruud Van Nistelrooy were both six foot plus goalscoring machines in Holland; one was much, much better than the other, but put them in the same team in the same era in Holland and you'd have massive difficulties guessing which was which. Afonso Alves' goalscoring record was better than pretty much anyone ever from that league, on paper he looked a no brainer, in practice he was horrendous when put in a stronger league. It's a gamble every time.
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Do you seriously think that? That's genuinely crazy. As in, i honestly have no comeback to something so monumentally stupid.
 
Lanolin said:
Do you seriously think that? That's genuinely crazy. As in, i honestly have no comeback to something so monumentally stupid.
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You only think so due to hindsight.

Look at the career stats of Giakoumatis as an example. 3 goals in 50 games in Greece, 29 in 33 in Holland last season. It's a crap shoot of a league, really is.
 

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