Everton Summer transfers 2021

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

I'd be delighted just to get rid of Bernard, Siggy, Iwobi and a central defender....

Will free up some amount of wages and add better quality. It's imperative we trim the squad I feel if we need to add.

£250k a week saved with just Bernard’s and Sigurdssons wages!

 

[Zatara]

Ok fair, I can see where you’re coming from.
I hate to be the person who pushes aside technique for pure power in midfield but if feels as important as ever to have legs in middle. The prem now is just so fast, I worry if we’re good enough to have a (and I hate the term but it works) quarterback midfielder over pure powerhouses. Pirlo was a legend but the Italian league is traditionally slow and nowadays industrial midfields are the tick. It may be crude but I’d rather have 2 massive brutes who can carry the ball in the middle rather than a technical passer.

Depends on lots of factors like style of play, formation etc

Liverpool had 3 blokes running up/down the pitch all game in Henderson, Wijnaldum and Fabinho.

How would we look with Neves as the anchor...2 monsters box to box ahead of him and then James at the tip of the diamond.

 

[ValBlue]

Depends on lots of factors like style of play, formation etc

Liverpool had 3 blokes running up/down the pitch all game in Henderson, Wijnaldum and Fabinho.

How would we look with Neves as the anchor...2 monsters box to box ahead of him and then James at the tip of the diamond.

Yeah formation is a big factor - as a rule of thumb, if we played a 433, I’d want 2 of those midfield 3 to be monsters or is it’s a 4231, both of those 2 should be box to box. We’ve seen ‘lower’ teams compete with technically better teams thanks to power in the middle (eg Bissouma, Sheff United in their first season, West Ham (thought they have technically gifted forward players ofc). We get overrun so easily it’s a crime. I love Allan but his fitness concerns me and after that we can’t just rely on Doucoure to give us some power!

 

[Tim's tourettes]

With all the hot weather we've been having, I've had moist spuds.

Same here mate, throw some talcum powder down there, works a treat

 

[Nippydan]

Where have you seen/ heard that?



Im not comparing the two per se but havent you just also described the negatives of prime Pirlo?

Gomes and Neves are totally different...Neves sits in front of defence picking up the ball and then acts as an anchor who is always available to receive and recycle the ball left/right back/forth.

Id compare Neves to more of a Carrick if were looking at the premier league. Sees the next pass before he gets the ball.

Then with Gomes...hes basically someone who waddles around aimlessly throwing his leg / shoulder barging into people and pays the hollywood ball or sideways pass.

Neves was at his best season 19/20 when deployed in the centre of midfield rather than in front of the back 4. In fact, if you look at the tactical analysis online you can see that the first 7 games of that season were largely lost by Wolves. When he was then moved further forward slightly and on the right hand side of central midfield they went unbeaten in their next 6 games.

The season before he was certainly changed to a deeper lying midfielder which had its success.

He is a good player, he is much better than what we have in Davies, Delph, Gomes. I don't believe he is that much better than Allan and Doucoure personally to warrant spending money. In my view we have a much greater issue which is a lack of pace on the right and a central midfielder who can go passed a player to help get between the lines and break teams down that come to defend. He doesn't solve either of those things. With our budget we need to prioritise areas that will improve us the most I think. The margin of improvement he will provide doesn't justify the spend. But hey, we all have different opinions I guess which is why the forum is successful.

 

[Zatara]

Neves was at his best season 19/20 when deployed in the centre of midfield rather than in front of the back 4. In fact, if you look at the tactical analysis online you can see that the first 7 games of that season were largely lost by Wolves. When he was then moved further forward slightly and on the right hand side of central midfield they went unbeaten in their next 6 games.

The season before he was certainly changed to a deeper lying midfielder which had its success.

He is a good player, he is much better than what we have in Davies, Delph, Gomes. I don't believe he is that much better than Allan and Doucoure personally to warrant spending money. In my view we have a much greater issue which is a lack of pace on the right and a central midfielder who can go passed a player to help get between the lines and break teams down that come to defend. He doesn't solve either of those things. With our budget we need to prioritise areas that will improve us the most I think. The margin of improvement he will provide doesn't justify the spend. But hey, we all have different opinions I guess which is why the forum is successful.

Neves is a defensive midfielder, always has been since he came through at Porto.

Its not comparable to Doucoure or Allan...who are box to box.

If you sign him then you sit him in front of the defence picking up the ball from them and ticking the play over with the occasional long pass.

Nuno is a dreadful manager and i think Neves would be better off moving to another team if we appoint Nuno.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Neves was at his best season 19/20 when deployed in the centre of midfield rather than in front of the back 4. In fact, if you look at the tactical analysis online you can see that the first 7 games of that season were largely lost by Wolves. When he was then moved further forward slightly and on the right hand side of central midfield they went unbeaten in their next 6 games.

The season before he was certainly changed to a deeper lying midfielder which had its success.

He is a good player, he is much better than what we have in Davies, Delph, Gomes. I don't believe he is that much better than Allan and Doucoure personally to warrant spending money. In my view we have a much greater issue which is a lack of pace on the right and a central midfielder who can go passed a player to help get between the lines and break teams down that come to defend. He doesn't solve either of those things. With our budget we need to prioritise areas that will improve us the most I think. The margin of improvement he will provide doesn't justify the spend. But hey, we all have different opinions I guess which is why the forum is successful.

I agree, I’m not a great fan of neves. And with the reported fee 30/35 mil in this current climate. That’s like spending 50mil 2 years ago.

We should be able to get a world class defensive midfielder or a brilliant box to box one, for that sort of money.

 

[Cool_Blue]

your post makes no sense, you do realise he has a new club nearly every season

No I don’t, and I’d never heard of him until yesterday as I don’t watch European leagues. My point was about our dire scouting network and whether one actually exists.

 

[Cool_Blue]

your post makes no sense, you do realise he has a new club nearly every season

So you believe he’s gash and we have better striking options? OK.

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

Ok fair, I can see where you’re coming from.
I hate to be the person who pushes aside technique for pure power in midfield but if feels as important as ever to have legs in middle. The prem now is just so fast, I worry if we’re good enough to have a (and I hate the term but it works) quarterback midfielder over pure powerhouses. Pirlo was a legend but the Italian league is traditionally slow and nowadays industrial midfields are the tick. It may be crude but I’d rather have 2 massive brutes who can carry the ball in the middle rather than a technical passer.

I like Neves well enough, but I am not thrilled at the prospect of us shelling out for him. With that said, the one attribute he has that none of our CMs seem to, is a willingness to pass the ball forwards. At the end of the day, we move the ball quicker through the lines if we see and pick a pass quickly as opposed to players carrying the ball.

I'd prefer defenders and CMs who will have the ball over the halfway line in two quick passes, and then have your powerhouse runners/ball carriers up top (and no, that's not me advocating for Traore...).

 

[mightymoyes]

No I don’t, and I’d never heard of him until yesterday as I don’t watch European leagues. My point was about our dire scouting network and whether one actually exists.

so a player you'd never heard and have now watched once in an international tournament (vs scotland) and you want him signed.

'our dire scouting network' is thankfully better for not having you or your solutions on board.

 

[Milkman]

For the fifth summer in a row, I dont care about ins, I just wanna see some OUTS.

 

[mikel_88]

If we get nuno and he wants neves must see him as a key player. Main thing for me this window has to be pace out wide

 

[Mitch Ward's Minder]

I agree, I’m not a great fan of neves. And with the reported fee 30/35 mil in this current climate. That’s like spending 50mil 2 years ago.

We should be able to get a world class defensive midfielder or a brilliant box to box one, for that sort of money.

Surely there must be a decent British player in the Championship who can do a good job of sweeping up in front of the back four and moving the ball forward? Obviously we need someone mobile and positionally disciplined, so like IGG but less of a headless chicken. Do we have a scouting network in the lower leagues these days, as we don't ever seem to be linked with anyone. There might not be anyone out there to fit our remit, but I just can't believe that.

 

[Nippydan]

Neves is a defensive midfielder, always has been since he came through at Porto.

Its not comparable to Doucoure or Allan...who are box to box.

If you sign him then you sit him in front of the defence picking up the ball from them and ticking the play over with the occasional long pass.

Nuno is a dreadful manager and i think Neves would be better off moving to another team if we appoint Nuno.

All well and good saying he is a defensive midfielder but if you get more out of him and the team is more successful playing further up the pitch then I'd argue he is better further up the pitch.

With our finite budget, I'd suggest unless we are raising funds and releasing wages by getting rid of at least 3 of Gomes, Bernard, Iwobi, Delph and davies then we are better off spending money elsewhere.