Everton Transfer Thread 2016

[Zatara]

Players - especially young players will not swap a backup role for Man United for a backup role for us mate - just simple logic and hostory has shown that, same for any young player we get from any big side, they will come to us because we promise them more opportunity

As for the young lads being two years away from being able to play - whny are they exactly?

Rashford, Mensah and Jackson - not one signle person thought that they would be playing this year - and 2 of the 3 did very well

Similarly not one person really thought Davies or Kenny would play or be ready this season and when they played they where - anothe roffseason and full pre season with the first team under a new manager and who knows how much they can contribute next season - the same goes for Dowell, Connely, pennington, Galloway, Ledson and several other players, but this is the key thing mate, to have a chance to come through and maybe really kciking on itnot he first team next seaosn each and every one of them players needs to have a team around them that has the experience and if you go out and buy kids over experienced seasonsed pros then you are greatly reducing the chance that any of them will break through,

Barry for example helped with us bringing Barkley into the team, Dsitin and Jags, baines and Coleman all did the same with allowing Stones to come in, look at that class of 92 and how they got into the united squad and they where surrounded by very good experienced pros mate, and eventually some repalced some of those, but fergusomn before anythign else made sure he had that core of experiecne and character and that was what helped to mould the likes of Neveille, scholes, giggs and beckham into the winning characters they became

But you would still have Coleman + Baines as experienced players....as well as others such as Barry,Jagielka etc...plus 2 or 3 more quality players to bring into the spine...they can help to bring through the youth.

Yes its unlikely a utd youth player would swap them for us but they have 3 first teamers ahead of them and now mourinho taking over....borthwick-jackson has stalled on a contract and is now available this summer.

If utd really want lukaku or any other clubs do then we should try and get the pick of their young players who arent first choice yet.

 

[bluestevon]

No he doesn't.

They might not be good enough, he needs to sign players to make us competitive again, and replace some of the crap we have with actual top 6 players to try and turn the shop around.

He needs to integrate youth over a period of years, not do it in his first summer.

Agree with that, also the best managers have a clear plan in their head about how the squad will integrate the younger players coming through, not just chucking them all in

Say Kenny gets a chance at starying for us next season, will he do better and develop better if the back 4 is stones, jags, baines with hart behind them or if we started him with robles, mori, a new young 21yo cb new to the league but highly touted and mensah playing?

Same with davies, how does he do if we go with a midfield 3 of him, and 2 20-22yo lads who are higly touted signed from ajax or psv, or would he do better with Krychowiak and Banega next to him

young players can be integrated but its how you do it that determines if it succeeds or fails badly

 

[bluestevon]

But you would still have Coleman + Baines as experienced players....as well as others such as Barry,Jagielka etc...plus 2 or 3 more quality players to bring into the spine...they can help to bring through the youth.

Yes its unlikely a utd youth player would swap them for us but they have 3 first teamers ahead of them and now mourinho taking over....borthwick-jackson has stalled on a contract and is now available this summer.

If utd really want lukaku or any other clubs do then we should try and get the pick of their young players who arent first choice yet.

Why mate, realsitically you can only bring so many young players through at the same time without it ending badly, when we already have a blossoming academy churing players out who seem ready, why would you want to then load a group more on top?

What would your plan be for Kenny for example if we got mensah?

 

[bluestevon]

Takes more than 2 years to do it?

They need game time, loans away, opportunities etc. That doesn't happen thst quickly.

And that is depending on them actually being good enough to even make it to this level. If we finished 5th next season, would you really want 19 year old to be brought into the team or would you want better quality players bought instead?

Name one club who have progressed and done it by bringing their academy in thst quickly?

Maybe United, but the thing about United is they didn't buy in that youth, they had grown at the club, played together all the way through the youth levels and where fully integrated already, they if you want to say it 'knew the man united way of playing', they also had the trust which is rare these days of the senuior pros as they had seen them develop and knew how good they where

 

[Zatara]

Agree with that, also the best managers have a clear plan in their head about how the squad will integrate the younger players coming through, not just chucking them all in

Say Kenny gets a chance at starying for us next season, will he do better and develop better if the back 4 is stones, jags, baines with hart behind them or if we started him with robles, mori, a new young 21yo cb new to the league but highly touted and mensah playing?

Same with davies, how does he do if we go with a midfield 3 of him, and 2 20-22yo lads who are higly touted signed from ajax or psv, or would he do better with Krychowiak and Banega next to him

young players can be integrated but its how you do it that determines if it succeeds or fails badly

I havent said that though have i?

i stated an experienced player with two young players behind him in the squad. I didnt advocate any of them being first choice.

i also said we needed a new spine (something ive said many times) of quality players in GK/CB/CM/CF.

 

[Ashtonian]

Maybe United, but the thing about United is they didn't buy in that youth, they had grown at the club, played together all the way trhough the youth levels and where fully integrated already, they if you want to say it 'knew the man united way of playing'

The United example was a freak occurance in all fairness. I doubt we have that many young players at that quality, noone had since either. I personally think there is a difference between taking a young player and making them part of the team and wholey planning on integrating them all. Villa tried that and it was suicidal. Hell even teams like arsenal who have world class academies and hand pick their kids still don't turn over that many players in that short space of time. Far too many get into the team then falter, it just isn't a successful model unless you are either buying the best like barca or solely relying on it like Ajax.

If one or two come through in two years, that us a massive success. I mean in 14 years we have only had, what, 5 young players step up? And one dropped a division, one let go from his current team one at Sunderland and Ross still learning his game. Even the likes of lundstrum, Hughes, green, baxter who were very highly rated at 17 have all not been able to step up.

So hopefully Im not mad in thinking that our academy is not suddenly turning out top players and within 2 years they are good enough alongside world class players who we will be competing with in the league.

 

[Zatara]

Why mate, realsitically you can only bring so many young players through at the same time without it ending badly, when we already have a blossoming academy churing players out who seem ready, why would you want to then load a group more on top?

What would your plan be for Kenny for example if we got mensah?

Loan out for half the season to get games. Then loan the other out for the 2nd half.

 

[bluestevon]

Loan out for half the season to get games. Then loan the other out for the 2nd half.

Loan rules changed mate from next season, need to commit now to a full season loan, no 3 month deals or recalls allowed unless i am mistaken

 

[Zatara]

Takes more than 2 years to do it?

They need game time, loans away, opportunities etc. That doesn't happen thst quickly.

And that is depending on them actually being good enough to even make it to this level. If we finished 5th next season, would you really want 19 year old to be brought into the team or would you want better quality players bought instead?

Name one club who have progressed and done it by bringing their academy in thst quickly?

Bringing their academy players into the squad behind first team players? Theres too many to list. Its standard practice.

 

[Zatara]

Loan rules changed mate from next season, need to commit now to a full season loan, no 3 month deals or recalls allowed unless i am mistaken

Can do half or full season.
Window to window.

 

[bluestevon]

The United example was a freak occurance in all fairness. I doubt we have that many young players at that quality, noone had since either. I personally think there is a difference between taking a young player and making them part of the team and wholey planning on integrating them all. Villa tried that and it was suicidal. Hell even teams like arsenal who have world class academies and hand pick their kids still don't turn over that many players in that short space of time. Far too many get into the team then falter, it just isn't a successful model unless you are either buying the best like barca or solely relying on it like Ajax.

If one or two come through in two years, that us a massive success. I mean in 14 years we have only had, what, 5 young players step up? And one dropped a division, one let go from his current team one at Sunderland and Ross still learning his game. Even the likes of lundstrum, Hughes, green, baxter who were very highly rated at 17 have all not been able to step up.

So hopefully Im not mad in thinking that our academy is not suddenly turning out top players and within 2 years they are good enough alongside world class players who we will be competing with in the league.

Aye United was the exception to the rule, they just hit the goldmine with the group they had coming through mate and had a good enough squad already built that they could integrate them without them getting shattered by the experience confidence wise

Out the group we have now - Kenny and Davies for me just look ready - not to start 30 games a year ofc, but ready to regularly feature for us and would be dissapointed if we loaned either out and didnt get to see them get some run outs this season coming, Dowell similarly although look, then we have Pennington and a few others who i have no idea if they will be good enough or fall short, but for any of them to make it -mwe need to have a really good first 11 and have some backbone and character in that squad as well

 

[Zatara]

RB -- Coleman
Kenny
Pennington (who is a CB)
Browning (who is a CB)

LB -- Baines
Oviedo (not good enough)
Garbutt (probably moved on)
Galloway (who is a CB)
Connolly

Options are:

1-- Keep as is
2-- Sign proven backups which blocks kids path
3-- Sign 2 more young FBs

Im saying go with 3 so 2 of the 4 fullbacks can go on loan while the others are backup to baines/coleman. Alternate every window.

@bluestevon

 

[Ashtonian]

Bringing their academy players into the squad behind first team players? Theres too many to list. Its standard practice.

Name one who have successfully done it the way you suggest?

 

[nsno-chris]

What "top quality" players in their prime would join then?

If you're certain that is whats needed then you should also have players in mind to support your argument.

This isnt a computer game where you can buy who you want you know....

What "top quality" players in their prime would join then?

If you're certain that is whats needed then you should also have players in mind to support your argument.

This isnt a computer game where you can buy who you want you know....

I don't need to list a load of players because I'm not the manager, you have this idea of buying young people all the time and developing them and I've laid out the reasons above why this is a stupid idea, business sense to establish us not to be the almost club again

I don't play computer games so I don't sit there playing fifa or footy manager getting all excited about these lids because there stats look boss and then posting absolute guff on here.

We've just been taken over and are in line for an absolute bumper pay day from the TV deal, that alone puts us ahead of most European teams for the ability to offer an increased wage and an half decent transfer fee.

But no, let's sell baines and coleman because they've been poor under the clown and replace them with 2 unproven youngsters because you had them in your team and a game. Grow up lad.

You argued that these 2 in particular were finished, I said it was Bobby's fault, how about we wait and see what they start like next year instead of filling the team with unproven youngsters who will not take us to the level we need to be at.

Lukaku goes for 60m and you want Rashford because of the 15 games he's playes, shows how naive you are

Switch your ps4 off and go and get some fresh air lid

 

[bluestevon]

I don't need to list a load of players because I'm not the manager, you have this idea of buying young people all the time and developing them and I've laid out the reasons above why this is a stupid idea, business sense to establish us not to be the almost club again

I don't play computer games so I don't sit there playing fifa or footy manager getting all excited about these lids because there stats look boss and then posting absolute guff on here.

We've just been taken over and are in line for an absolute bumper pay day from the TV deal, that alone puts us ahead of most European teams for the ability to offer an increased wage and an half decent transfer fee.

But no, let's sell baines and coleman because they've been poor under the clown and replace them with 2 unproven youngsters because you had them in your team and a game. Grow up lad.

You argued that these 2 in particular were finished, I said it was Bobby's fault, how about we wait and see what they start like next year instead of filling the team with unproven youngsters who will not take us to the level we need to be at.

Lukaku goes for 60m and you want Rashford because of the 15 games he's playes, shows how naive you are

Switch your ps4 off and go and get some fresh air lid

Baines will be one of the best players in the league next year - bold prediction but confident about that