Everton Transfer Thread 2016

[BlueToff]

Btw, just want to pop this in here (shameless self promotion) - I posted it in the Rom thread but think it applies.

FWIW, my take on things as it stands, and it was in response to a question by @kithnou

Well we had seen the fee agreed for Williams (I am very certain that we only ever submitted two bids for him, the last of which was Wednesday or Thursday last week). So maybe we did presume the Stones deal was close, but we had committed the money with that second bid (which must've been what Swansea took as we didn't go in with a third...)

We also did buy Gueye, and there was the compo for RK to S'ton, plus Walsh's compo and both of their respective signing on fees. We can also be almost certain due to the amount of times and from different sources that it was reported that we had pledged big money (£25mil) for Witsel's fee and offer...

Without getting into the other areas, then that's probably what, £15m actually spent before the Stones deal (not loads I know) with an extra 9-12 (depending on what reports we believe) pledged for Williams. (I'll ignore Witsel as it hasn't gone through).

In the grand scheme of things, not loads, no, but then again would you be putting £15mil of your money in like that?

Okay, so the Stones deal goes through and now we're making our 'big' moves - though yes later than many - myself included, would have liked.

Bolasie and Kone would, as I said depending on who you believe, account for £40-£43mil in transfer fees. Taking off Barnsley's sell-on clause, those two alone equal either exactly as much (give or take) or a few mil more than Stones' sale brought in.

Factor in Gueye, Williams and the rest as I mentioned above to go to Koeman (and his coaching staff) and Walsh and you're already looking at way upwards of £60mil spent - probably more towards £70mil - on improving the coaching set up and squad.

Obviously, that's £70m gross (£30m NET), and isn't accounting for wages or anything like that as the club's revenue stream takes care of that really.

EDIT: Just for the sake of argument, include Witsel - if he'd accepted our deal that would be another £25mil outlay purely on the fee. That was all set to go through weeks ago by many accounts until Juve showed their interest...

Now, I suppose you could say that if we'd have spent that money on Witsel, would we go for Bolasie? But since they're completely different types of players I reckon we'd still be in for both of them. Maybe we wouldn't have got Gueye in, though by the sounds of it that was a deal that had been in the minds of both Walsh and Koeman.

obviously, some assumptions made, though I don't think they're unrealistic in anyway.

also happy for people to disagree, I'm sure they will...

 

[Marko VB]

Anyone else watching premier league years? They've just shown a Mata double and a Bolasie hatrick. It's definitely a sign! Probably. Maybe. Maybe not. Nah.

 

[tadao]

Great post, my sentiments exactly. The new era truly begins once the dead wood is removed from the boardroom, just as is being done with the playing staff.

Do people actually believe that BK is still in control? He's a figurehead (probably stipulated in the sale, that he wouldn't lose face by stepping aside straight away), but doesn't actually make the decisions.
Likewise, Elstone. Moved sideways and the lady in charge of EITC (doing a really good job) has basically usurped him and his position.
It seems like a long term strategy is being put in place, figureheads are literally that and will eventually move aside (prob before Xmas?).
The man with the power is the owner and that's not BK.

 

[everton2004]

Do people actually believe that BK is still in control? He's a figurehead (probably stipulated in the sale, that he wouldn't lose face by stepping aside straight away), but doesn't actually make the decisions.
Likewise, Elstone. Moved sideways and the lady in charge of EITC (doing a really good job) has basically usurped him and his position.
It seems like a long term strategy is being put in place, figureheads are literally that and will eventually move aside (prob before Xmas?).
The man with the power is the owner and that's not BK.

Until Moshiri buys them out, he still doesn't "own" the club. They still own a block of shares so still have a say in matters - I won't be truly happy until Bill sells his remaining shares to Moshiri. We can then form a new board with Moshiri's appointments and move forward

 

[tadao]

Until Moshiri buys them out, he still doesn't "own" the club. They still own a block of shares so still have a say in matters - I won't be truly happy until Bill sells his remaining shares to Moshiri. We can then form a new board with Moshiri's appointments and move forward

That's already agreed though and contract in place, don't see what the problem is?

 

[everton2004]

That's already agreed though and contract in place, don't see what the problem is?

Kenwright and Elstone are still on the board. That's the problem. Once the deal is finalised, they can say their farewells and Moshiri will bring his people in - people who can take us to the next level on a commercial basis (something that we've been hopeless at in recent times).

 

[MartyMcFly]

I get we have over 2 weeks left, but us dragging our feet in the transfer market is to blame for the subpar team we will trot out Saturday.
Whether you spend 100 million or 10 million it just makes so much sense to get all of your business done early so your manager and squad can worry about the upcoming matches not additions/departures.

Leaving the last couple of weeks to do the last few bits is fine however we've left it to do the large majority ins and outs of our business.

Very strange indeed.

 

[Goat]

Leaving the last couple of weeks to do the last few bits is fine however we've left it to do the large majority ins and outs of our business.

Very strange indeed.

Hi marty, if we were to go back to the future, what would your banned names have been?

Asking for a Friend.

 

[MartyMcFly]

So, while I was watching GB get the Gold yet again in the track (well done lads), has that King article in the Mail calmed everyone down a bit?

'Rom acting like a total professional. Club determined to keep him'

'Inherited an unfit squad, and six weeks holiday for them was too much'

'Bolasie and Kone likely next week, still looking for a goalkeeper and striker'

I think we'll also see some movement on another player as well, and more depending on outgoings...

Are you really asking what the mata is?

 

[tadao]

Kenwright and Elstone are still on the board. That's the problem. Once the deal is finalised, they can say their farewells and Moshiri will bring his people in - people who can take us to the next level on a commercial basis (something that we've been hopeless at in recent times).

I understand that people don't like BK and Elstone and want them out of the club. What I don't get is people not realising that they are actually not making the decisions. Should their pictures get taken off the corridor walls to make them feel better? The knee jerk reactions about 'anything' all seems a bit basic, imo.

 

[MartyMcFly]

If he doesnt buy a midfielder I want him sacked.

Or a play maker?

Seriously how long have we been waiting for the club now to buy one.

 

[MartyMcFly]

I do think he'll go for a 'central' player at some point. Whether he's switched attention to that being a more advanced player like (just as an example of the type of player) Mata, and the plan is to drop Barkley back, or he goes for somebody (again as an example) who is more of a deeper box-to-box player (possibly more what we need right now) remains to be seen.

I do however think that this is the signing that may well drag on late towards the deadline, and as I've said we'll also see one or two of our midfielders leave in the meantime/at the same time.

I would love it if he played Barkley deeper and Mata as a 10. I couldn't argue with that at all.

 

[MartyMcFly]

The sorry state of the squads overall fitness is primarily an damning indictment of Kenwright and Elstone. Koeman cannot simply walk in and address this without getting through 5 or 6 competitive games, friendlies simply cannot replicate the required intensity. His comments today did not surprise me in the least in that regard - we are behind we he wants us to be for sure, but no club will start the season at 100%. Fine margins count for everything at this level.

This is one of the basic pre-requisites of elite sport, as if results/performances under Martinez were not bad enough, Finch Farm was doubling up as a leisure centre for two years.

It is a complete and utter disgrace that Martinez was not volleyed out the door 18 months ago. What a sorry state of affairs. Kenwright could not get through Koeman's first press conference without alluding to how difficult it was to sack Martinez. This is how we are where we are - too much back-slapping, country club mismanagement, daring to do nothing that would put anyone out of their comfort zone at EFC.

It's not big signings that will convince me that a new era has dawned at EFC - Kenwright and Elstone have sat on their hands long enough and need to go, regardless of how symbolic or irrelevant their roles have become. Really hope that this will coincide with Moshiri taking up his additional share options, and hope he continues with the appointments of people of the calibre of Ryazantsev. We need a new chairman, new CEO, and new commercial director.

I'm glad Koeman can see the wood from the trees, it has been a difficult summer which has not matched my expectations to date in terms of signings but at least we have a manager who is identifying problem areas and setting about solving them. That is great news.

I just hope we can add someone in the centre of the park (Mata) to go with a GK and striker. That, with Kone and Bolasie will result in things looking much better.

Well said sir. Excellent post.

 

[RomanReigns]

Using Mourinho's philosophy of having a core 24 man squad and out of boredom I have decided to do a preliminary core 24 man squad for Koeman's upcoming season

Goalkeepers (2):

Stekelenburg
Robles

Right Backs (1):

Coleman

Centre Backs (3):

Jagielka
Mori
Williams

Left Backs (2):

Baines
Oviedo

Centre Midfielders (4):

Gibson
McCarthy
Barry
Gueye
Cleverley

Attacking Midfielders (1):

Barkley

Right Wingers (2):

Deulofeu
Lennon

Left Wingers (1):

Mirallas

Strikers (3):

Kone
Lukaku
Tarashaj

Total: 20

Not included:

Niasse, McGeady, Besic, Garbutt and Galloway

Niasse, McGeady and Garbutt do not have squad numbers

Galloway is likely to go out on loan

Besic is out for at least 6 months, no point registering him as a player given that he won't play any part of the first half of the season. If he does recover from his injury we can re-register him later on in January, opens up another squad spot for at least 6 months.

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Koeman currently has 20 first team players to choose from plus Davies, Browning, Dowell, Holgate and Pennington (when he recovers from his current injury)

Most of these younger players may be loaned out however it's clear from the squad depth that we have, that we need at least another 4 first team players to even reach 24. The squad is weak at the moment especially if the current 20 includes the likes of Kone, Tarashaj, Gibson, Oviedo and 2 backup keepers. Tarashaj is unknown at the moment, he may turn out to be quality, he may not.

The clear areas we need to strengthen are:

1 - A top quality keeper who will be our number 1 for the next 5 years at least
2 - A right back to cover coleman if he gets injured
3 - A centre back - Koeman says he needs at least 4 centre backs
4 - A striker - if Lukaku suffers a real bad injury we are screwed
5 - A creative midfielder - we have no real quality in the centre of mid in terms of creating goals or linking up play - all our midfielders are simply workhorses
6 - A left winger - Mirallas is our only option down that wing at the moment unless you switch lennon and deulofeu over but its lacking any real quality on the left wing

who could we bring in to sort this out?

1 - Begovic
2 - ?
3 - Kone
4 - Slimani
5 - Mata
6 - Bolasie

If Kone is 20 mil, Begovic - 15 mil, Mata - 25 mil, Bolasie - 25 mil and Slimani 25 mil then taking into account the 100 mil we were promised plus 40 mil from stones after Burnley's cut that's £140 mil we have to spend. We have already spent around 17 million on players which means that there is another 123 mil left.

Take into account the fee's i mentioned above those 5 players would cost about 110 mil which gives us around 10-13 mil left to buy a back up right back.

If all of the above can be done before the end of the transfer window then I will be very excited for the upcoming season but I fear that we will probably end up disappointed.

 

[sageyefc]

Using Mourinho's philosophy of having a core 24 man squad and out of boredom I have decided to do a preliminary core 24 man squad for Koeman's upcoming season

Goalkeepers (2):

Stekelenburg
Robles

Right Backs (1):

Coleman

Centre Backs (3):

Jagielka
Mori
Williams

Left Backs (2):

Baines
Oviedo

Centre Midfielders (4):

Gibson
McCarthy
Barry
Gueye

Attacking Midfielders (1):

Barkley

Right Wingers (2):

Deulofeu
Lennon

Left Wingers (1):

Mirallas

Strikers (3):

Kone
Lukaku
Tarashaj

Total: 19

Not included:

Niasse, McGeady, Besic, Garbutt and Galloway

Niasse, McGeady and Garbutt do not have squad numbers

Galloway is likely to go out on loan

Besic is out for at least 6 months, no point registering him as a player given that he won't play any part of the first half of the season. If he does recover from his injury we can re-register him later on in January, opens up another squad spot for at least 6 months.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Koeman currently has 19 first team players to choose from plus Davies, Browning, Dowell, Holgate and Pennington (when he recovers from his current injury)

Most of these younger players may be loaned out however it's clear from the squad depth that we have, that we need at least another 5 first team players to even reach 24. The squad is weak at the moment especially if the current 19 includes the likes of Kone, Tarashaj, Gibson, Oviedo and 2 backup keepers. Tarashaj is unknown at the moment, he may turn out to be quality, he may not.

The clear areas we need to strengthen are:

1 - A top quality keeper who will be our number 1 for the next 5 years at least
2 - A right back to cover coleman if he gets injured
3 - A centre back - Koeman says he needs at least 4 centre backs
4 - A striker - if Lukaku suffers a real bad injury we are screwed
5 - A creative midfielder - we have no real quality in the centre of mid in terms of creating goals or linking up play - all our midfielders are simply workhorses
6 - A left winger - Mirallas is our only option down that wing at the moment unless you switch lennon and deulofeu over but its lacking any real quality on the left wing

who could we bring in to sort this out?

1 - Begovic
2 - ?
3 - Kone
4 - Slimani
5 - Mata
6 - Bolasie

If Kone is 20 mil, Begovic - 15 mil, Mata - 25 mil, Bolasie - 25 mil and Slimani 25 mil then taking into account the 100 mil we were promised plus 40 mil from stones after Burnley's cut that's £140 mil we have to spend. We have already spent around 17 million on players which means that there is another 123 mil left.

Take into account the fee's i mentioned above those 5 players would cost about 110 mil which gives us around 10-13 mil left to buy a back up right back.

If all of the above can be done before the end of the transfer window then I will be very excited for the upcoming season but I fear that we will probably end up disappointed.