Everton Transfer Thread - Summer 2020

[Tennessee Blue Mike]

....I think we go with what we’ve got for now and if we’re still in the mix at Christmas he might freshen things up a bit.

It goes against my logic, but there is also the possibility Ancelotti is waiting to see if Kean can prove more effective than so far seen.

My thought is Kean unless his attitude changes we may have laid him to rest and need to move on. I do hope he does well but he looks very rough around the edges when coming on for us and void of ideas. Also, his father had a strange comment the game was just to complicated for him in the Premier League. What do you make of that?

 

[catcherintherye]

I know I'm being greedy but I think Sarr is the missing ingredient in our forward options. Plus we are a bit short in numbers.

At the moment it's a would love to have rather than must have. That hopefully change next season if we get CL

I can certainly see that perspective. I didn't see a lot of him last season, but he was very good at Liverpool, and looks a natural right sided player.

 

[TheCount]

There's nothing crystal ball about saying playing a player with a pre existing injury is a dangerous game. It's fine for you to disagree with what i'm saying, i'm only giving an opinion, but clearly playing injured players can cost you, we've got lots of examples of our own to look at.

That's not what I said. Of course playing a player with a pre existing injury is a risk.

Saying it will definitely cost us is predicting the future.

The obvious example being this situation, because it didn't cost us.

There is still a chance that we bring someone in. Sarr or King?

 

[Hendi]

I don't know. I just don't really see another forward as a 'back up' in that way. It's about options, both for certain games and within games. We're not going to blow everyone away with the same team every week, there'll be games where it isn't working and a fresh pair of legs coming on for 20/30 minutes makes all the difference. In hindsight it's pretty clear Richarlison wasn't fit to start last week, but we didn't really have another option so we played him anyway. Another day that costs us, either because he makes the injury worse and misses ages, or because the early sub messes things up in that game. Kean wasn't good enough to make an impact but he played a part in 33 games last season, who knows what might have happened if DCL and Richarlison had had to play all those minutes themselves. As I said, you might get away with it, but I'd rather we didn't take the chance personally.

Perfect way to describe it. It's all well and good things are working right now but we haven't got the options to change it when it doesn't work. If we do have the funds for Sarr we have to go for it.

 

[catcherintherye]

....I think we go with what we’ve got for now and if we’re still in the mix at Christmas he might freshen things up a bit.

It goes against my logic, but there is also the possibility Ancelotti is waiting to see if Kean can prove more effective than so far seen.

It's very telling with that loan that there is not obligation or option to buy.

As for us, I do wonder if one of the youger players, either Gordon or even Nkondou may be adapted a little to play off the right. I think our options are ok, but more suited to the left.

If Ellis Simms is going to make the step up, it is moments like this he has to do it really, and show he can be an option from the bench at times.

 

[John from Bootle]

If we do have the funds for Sarr we have to go for it.

Says who?

 

[catcherintherye]

Kean got plenty of minutes in that grand scheme of things, that's my point. Not necessarily plenty of minutes for him to make an impact, but plenty of minutes when you think it would otherwise have been played by DCL and Richarlison. Effectively an extra 11 games worth of minutes, that can make a big difference in your legs over the course of a season. I also think we're still ostensibly playing 2 up front, just with a slight twist. Richarlison is tasked with getting into the box, not running the touchline, he's a striker, whatever the graphic on sky says. There's a reason Ancelotti said he thought both of them should get 20 goals, and Richarlison even mentioned in an interview this week that he believes he's playing up front.

Again, i fully appreciate that we could get away with the squad we've got. I'm not saying we can't possibly have a good season with what we've got or anything, just that I think we're a bit light in attack. I don't know whether we'll move for anyone, and if we do I don't know who it will be, but I think we could do with another option. The drop off from Richarlison (as mentioned, Ancelotti says he expects 20 goals from him) to Iwobi (best ever scoring season of 3) is very significant. Our midfield won't get a lot of goals so there's a lot of pressure on those forward players. I'd like there to be someone who can share that load with the lads currently in the side.

Interesting response and lots of worthy points. I'll try to take each one. I should say, I am not in the "don't sign Sarr" camp, i'm on the fence really, but would obviously be delighted if we took the plunge.

He played around 860 in the Prem. As you say it's not an insubstantial sum of minutes, and what should be added is that DCL/Richarlinson also had very high workloads, so it's not as if you could sort of allocate those minutes easily. It's a worthwhile point. I also think, we have to be careful with James. In truth we got away with it a little bit against West Ham/Brighton, but we can't expect him tobe playing 90 x 2 every week. We are going to have to protect him a bit. So even just to protect James, as much as the other 2, it's a concern.

In terms of the 2 up, I'm not sure on that really. Richarlinson is very much operating from the left to me. If we were geuinely 2 up top we would be much shorter of options. However, there are games where Richarlinson an fill in for DCL with Iwobi off the left/Bernard/Gordon off the left.

I think it's as much the makeup of the players as it is the numbers. If you swapped Bernard for King, I'm not sure it's much of an upgrade, but we are better covered. To me Bernard, Iwobi, Richarlinson and Gordon all look happier on the left, but we've seen little to say any are as happy off the right. And as mentioned above,the guy on the right needs to be managed. Crazy as it sounds, maybe Bolasie hangs about until Christmas just as a body?

The choice seems to be King or Sarr. King seems the more versatile (though not sure how much he's played down the right) whereas Sarr seems to prefer that side, but isn't the guy to play across the front.

One final thought, if goals are a key, is Sarr a guy who we think is a prolific goals man? He has played in flashes at Watford, but do we think he's a guy who's going to add goals?

 

[Lanolin]

That's not what I said. Of course playing a player with a pre existing injury is a risk.

Saying it will definitely cost us is predicting the future.

The obvious example being this situation, because it didn't cost us.

There is still a chance that we bring someone in. Sarr or King?

Which is fine, except I didn't say it would definitely cost us. I said 'on another day that costs us' like, there was a chance it could have cost us but I appreciate that in this case it didn't. It's really a fairly commonly used expression. The pretty simple idea i'm trying to convey is that we took a risk by playing Richarlison because we didn't have anyone else who could play his role, and if we'd had another option we may not have needed to take that risk. The more often you take the risk, the more likely it becomes it will eventually backfire (see Holgate missing the last half dozen games of last season, or Gbamin missing 18 months for confirmation). It's not that it will definitely cost you - i've said this a few times now but it doesn't seem to have sunk in - but I'd rather we didn't take the risk.

 

[Eggs]

My thought is Kean unless his attitude changes we may have laid him to rest and need to move on. I do hope he does well but he looks very rough around the edges when coming on for us and void of ideas. Also, his father had a strange comment the game was just to complicated for him in the Premier League. What do you make of that?

....sounds like another excuse for his failings. I like Ancelotti’s quote about good players not complicating games: ‘the pitch is the same size, the goalposts don’t move and you play against 11 players’. Kean plays football on a football pitch, we should be seeing signs he can be effective and positively influence games.

I’m with you on Kean, I suppose the doubt is why Brands didn’t include an obligation to buy in the deal.

 

[Nyhus]

Good point. I may be being a bit premature. Still he is good to have in emergency's.

Id love it if he broke into the senior squad tho, so fingers crossed he makes it!

 

[Hendi]

Interesting response and lots of worthy points. I'll try to take each one. I should say, I am not in the "don't sign Sarr" camp, i'm on the fence really, but would obviously be delighted if we took the plunge.

He played around 860 in the Prem. As you say it's not an insubstantial sum of minutes, and what should be added is that DCL/Richarlinson also had very high workloads, so it's not as if you could sort of allocate those minutes easily. It's a worthwhile point. I also think, we have to be careful with James. In truth we got away with it a little bit against West Ham/Brighton, but we can't expect him tobe playing 90 x 2 every week. We are going to have to protect him a bit. So even just to protect James, as much as the other 2, it's a concern.

In terms of the 2 up, I'm not sure on that really. Richarlinson is very much operating from the left to me. If we were geuinely 2 up top we would be much shorter of options. However, there are games where Richarlinson an fill in for DCL with Iwobi off the left/Bernard/Gordon off the left.

I think it's as much the makeup of the players as it is the numbers. If you swapped Bernard for King, I'm not sure it's much of an upgrade, but we are better covered. To me Bernard, Iwobi, Richarlinson and Gordon all look happier on the left, but we've seen little to say any are as happy off the right. And as mentioned above,the guy on the right needs to be managed. Crazy as it sounds, maybe Bolasie hangs about until Christmas just as a body?

The choice seems to be King or Sarr. King seems the more versatile (though not sure how much he's played down the right) whereas Sarr seems to prefer that side, but isn't the guy to play across the front.

One final thought, if goals are a key, is Sarr a guy who we think is a prolific goals man? He has played in flashes at Watford, but do we think he's a guy who's going to add goals?

We said exactly the same about Richarlison. He'll be playing with better players so who knows.

 

[blueblue]

Yannick is still here, why are people worrying about cover up top?!

With the departure of Sandro, Walcott, Keane and all of the others the squad has been cut back to a more manageable level. I expect we will see some of the younger players leave next week as well like Connolly,Broadhead and Pennington... maybe even Branthwaite on loan.
We are left with Gbamin and Tosun(both injured) , Besic who I feel will leave next week and that leaves just Bolasie.

I would not be surprised if he is the last man standing that CA brings him and involves him with the squad until January at least.

 

[catcherintherye]

We said exactly the same about Richarlison. He'll be playing with better players so who knows.

We did and that I suppose is what is exciting about Sarr, that we have that positive feedback from Richarlinson.

 

[catcherintherye]

With the departure of Sandro, Walcott, Keane and all of the others the squad has been cut back to a more manageable level. I expect we will see some of the younger players leave next week as well like Connolly,Broadhead and Pennington... maybe even Branthwaite on loan.
We are left with Gbamin and Tosun(both injured) , Besic who I feel will leave next week and that leaves just Bolasie.

I would not be surprised if he is the last man standing that CA brings him and involves him with the squad until January at least.

I always felt it was Bolasie or Walcott to go. We got an offer for Walcott. Dont get me wrong, if someone comes in with an offer to pay Bolasie even 50% of his wages he too will be gone, but I am not certain we will entertain offers of paying him a minimal amount currently.

 

[catcherintherye]

....sounds like another excuse for his failings. I like Ancelotti’s quote about good players not complicating games: ‘the pitch is the same size, the goalposts don’t move and you play against 11 players’. Kean plays football on a football pitch, we should be seeing signs he can be effective and positively influence games.

I’m with you on Kean, I suppose the doubt is why Brands didn’t include an obligation to buy in the deal.

You can only imagine they see his value growing as a result of the loan, which makes sense. If he can kick on, and Everton are in the CL next season, who knows what happens.