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Everton Transfer Thread - Summer 2020

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Zatara said:
Ancelotti is the one who gave him his start at PSG.

At PSG he was rated as a future world class player (much the same as Digne being labelled a wonderkid) and then some of his performances were match winning really.

At juventus he had a slow start but snippets i saw of him he was like a beast as he regained fitness.

I reckon under Ancelotti we have a chance of him becoming a top top player.
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The reality is, one of Carlo's strengths is that he is very adept at man managing players. There's no doubt Rabiot is a tricky customer, but very talented, and clearly likes Ancelotti. We were seemingly close to him in January. I don't know if he's in the French squad, but with the likely wage cut he'd have to take at Juventus, options are opened up now. He just also see, post January the improvement we have shown under Ancelotti and may think it is the right time for him.
 
I’ve seen us linked with more players in the past 2 months than the past two years.
There is clearly a lot of bored people out there.

This is the most unstable time finance wise in the PL for 20 years and the least accessible time to actually conduct transfers but apparently we’ve got about 20 players lined up.
 
chippy1722 said:
I’ve seen us linked with more players in the past 2 months than the past two years.
There is clearly a lot of bored people out there.

This is the most unstable time finance wise in the PL for 20 years and the least accessible time to actually conduct transfers but apparently we’ve got about 20 players lined up.
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...just been an item on Sky News about how much those involved theatre productions are currently losing. Andrew Lloyd-Webber apparently £20m down since the lockdown started.

i can’t see Bill Kenwright chucking into the transfer kitty.
 

MarcelsGoat said:
1 of those players that would the best in the world if they werent such an entitled bellend. See Paul Pogba for an example.
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Loads of people want to give Cristiano Ronaldo crap, and he is an irritating blert, however he apparently trains like a maniac and treats his body like a finely tuned machine. He demands the best from all around him but rarely disappoints in his own performances. Compare that with people like Pogba and Rabiot. Being talented is approximately half of the challenge, by all means push the people around you to be better but do that by setting an example, not by chucking all of your toys out of the pram. I agree with you, Rabiot, and his enormous wages, should be nowhere near this club. Let him spend 12-24 months at Saudi Newcastlia.
 
MarcelsGoat said:
1 of those players that would the best in the world if they werent such an entitled bellend. See Paul Pogba for an example.
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The thing about Paul Pogba is he has played really well when healthy despite being a bellend. United fans, similarly to our fans, like to blame the team being worse than they'd like on the good players in it instead of the bad ones. Pogba isn't and hasn't ever been their issue just like Rom was never our issue when he was here and Richarlison won't be the issue when we get around to struggling again.

Could Pogba maybe be better? I'd honestly agree and say yes, but the amount of stick he gets when he is pretty consistently a top level midfielder is kind of nuts.
 
TheBigIguana said:
The thing about Paul Pogba is he has played really well when healthy despite being a bellend. United fans, similarly to our fans, like to blame the team being worse than they'd like on the good players in it instead of the bad ones. Pogba isn't and hasn't ever been their issue just like Rom was never our issue when he was here and Richarlison won't be the issue when we get around to struggling again.

Could Pogba maybe be better? I'd honestly agree and say yes, but the amount of stick he gets when he is pretty consistently a top level midfielder is kind of nuts.
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I think Pogba when in the mood is a wonderful player, but he doesnt always give what he can.

Pogba is without question Uniteds best player, even when not in the mood.
 
TheBigIguana said:
The thing about Paul Pogba is he has played really well when healthy despite being a bellend. United fans, similarly to our fans, like to blame the team being worse than they'd like on the good players in it instead of the bad ones. Pogba isn't and hasn't ever been their issue just like Rom was never our issue when he was here and Richarlison won't be the issue when we get around to struggling again.

Could Pogba maybe be better? I'd honestly agree and say yes, but the amount of stick he gets when he is pretty consistently a top level midfielder is kind of nuts.
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If you make yourself the main man, you have to be the go to guy every game. If you then have quiet games, and he's has quite a few, then you reap what you sow. I agree that he isn't as bad as he is sometimes made out to be but, equally, he isn't the game changing player as often as his wage and profile suggests he should be either. Whatever people say about the Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Ibrahimovic ego-type players, more often than not, they deliver. I'm not sure you can say that about Pogba, at least in his time at Man Utd.
 

windymiller said:
If you make yourself the main man, you have to be the go to guy every game. If you then have quiet games, and he's has quite a few, then you reap what you sow. I agree that he isn't as bad as he is sometimes made out to be but, equally, he isn't the game changing player as often as his wage and profile suggests he should be either. Whatever people say about the Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Ibrahimovic ego-type players, more often than not, they deliver. I'm not sure you can say that about Pogba, at least in his time at Man Utd.
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I'm not going to argue he's worth anywhere close to the amount of money invested in him, I don't think that argument can really be made, but I do think he's pretty easily one of the top end midfielders in the league over the course of the seasons he has played.
 
TheBigIguana said:
I'm not going to argue he's worth anywhere close to the amount of money invested in him, I don't think that argument can really be made, but I do think he's pretty easily one of the top end midfielders in the league over the course of the seasons he has played.
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Agreed, but is he as consistent as the elite level players he is often bracketed with? Not in my opinion. Is that due to a lack of talent? Clearly not. Which begs the question, is it motivation? Is it dedication or mental fortitude? I don't know, I'm not his coach. What is clear is that, compared with other players with a similar talent, something is missing. And if it is lacking in Pogba, it appears to be completely absent in Rabiot. You can have all the physical gifts in the world but if you lack drive and a desire to inspire your teammates you won't achieve anything. To be fair Pogba has 4 Scudetto's, 2 Coppa Italia's and a World cup, so he's not exactly a failure, he has already had a wonderful career, but he is not a transformative player for a team, when the team shines so does he. However, the truly great players elevate the teams they play in, look at Maradona in '86, and I'm not sure Pogba does that, he plays for himself.
 
windymiller said:
Agreed, but is he as consistent as the elite level players he is often bracketed with? Not in my opinion. Is that due to a lack of talent? Clearly not. Which begs the question, is it motivation? Is it dedication or mental fortitude? I don't know, I'm not his coach. What is clear is that, compared with other players with a similar talent, something is missing. And if it is lacking in Pogba, it appears to be completely absent in Rabiot. You can have all the physical gifts in the world but if you lack drive and a desire to inspire your teammates you won't achieve anything. To be fair Pogba has 4 Scudetto's, 2 Coppa Italia's and a World cup, so he's not exactly a failure, he has already had a wonderful career, but he is not a transformative player for a team, when the team shines so does he. However, the truly great players elevate the teams they play in, look at Maradona in '86, and I'm not sure Pogba does that, he plays for himself.
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Honestly having him see under a proper manager at Juve and closer to a proper manager than what United have rolled out recently with France (Mourinho is beyond washed), I do think that is part of the problem. He's also played in some pretty bad sides at United. Last year Lindelof, Shaw and Young were in United's top 5 for minutes in the league. The year before Matic, Valencia and Smalling were there. If we're expecting him to be in that elite level, we're also expecting him to elevate a pretty average side in doing it and not many are capable of that. Ibra for my money never did, I don't think Ronaldo really has either, this season is the closest Messi has gotten, but that Barca side is better than 15 squads in La Liga without him still and Neymar has never not been on the best side in his league. So it's just a tough spot because I kind of agree, he could be so much more than he is, but I can also see the reason he isn't not being totally about him. I'd be fascinated to see what happened if he did move on to say Madrid where any doubt about talent and management goes away.

On the Rabiot thing, there is certainly lots of cause for concern but there is also a rare chance to sign a talented player at a good age and reasonable price. We don't get those very often so I'd spend a lot of time trying to figure out if he really is a complete nut or there is a chance that we could get the best out of him for an extended period. We're at a spot that is going to require some degree of risk taking.
 

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