tonka1878
Player Valuation: £20m
You break it, you buy it.
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billyblue80
Player Valuation: £70m
Unfortunately true and it's sickening to see how much money we have wasted while Leicester's transfer strategy has been better for years.
Once Everton touches you etc.
Charles Hawtrey
Player Valuation: £50m
Wyes! we should get their DoF in?
Stephenlloyd
Player Valuation: £40m
They’ve actually spent quite a bit over the last 5 years. They have a debt of about 170mil while ours is about 230.
Granted they’ve been champions and played in the champions league.
But let’s not make our they’ve had success while not spending a penny, just like Liverpool.
I don’t think anyone’s saying they’ve done it on a shoestring, but we started from a base of finishing 5th and 6th and are now 12th while they started from a base of the championship and are on course for top 4, having spent less than us. It would be churlish not to admit that they have recruited miles better than us recently.
Stephenlloyd
Player Valuation: £40m
if they had recruited miles better than us, we wouldn’t have finished above them the last 3 seasons.
They have a better manager now than they have for a while, young players have stepped up to another level. And they had a fair bit of luck.
Let’s see if they can sustain it.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
I think there's a lot of discussion in all of them. I mean Bolasie got a terrible injury and the other two have been underwhelming but have had their moments. For the most part I think Schneiderlin was probably a little under appreciated, Sigurdsson very little defence for.
To me I think we got caught on the tail end of the transfer market for over 27's. Because of the ridiculous rules of FFP people search for younger and younger players, to essentially sell on to manipulate a profit and avoids punishment (this could all be solved if FFP was removed). Value of players, is now increasingly moving from what they contribute on the pitch to what they can be sold for. The problem is, that the age profile of valued players keeps getting younger and younger and the time players lose values younger and younger too. It used to be mid 30's, then it went to around 30 and no fee, now we are close to players approaching 27 have no inherent value. During this pandemic it will be interesting where it ends. (Interestingly, Keynes said a lot of similar things about the sort of nonsensical anarchy of the stock markets).
Either way, we got caught being the last team to be paying for such players. We employed a manager who was obsessed with the immediate term, one who wanted players between 25-30, a DOF who lacked either the foresight, the negotiation ability nor the strength of character to manage Koeman and negotiate the deals properly, and we thus got lumbered having to pay big fees. I mean, certainly with Schneiderlin we could not have likely got a 2 year loan deal with some sort of nominal option to buy. We should have walked away from Sigurdsson and Bolasie.
They were all good players though. And have all underperformed. I was never SIgurdssons biggest fan but he hasn't really hit the heights he did at Swansea, and Schneiderlin/Bolasie haven't got close either. It's a kick in the teeth, as they were all fairly low risk, high cost, small reward players. You'd have thought they would all be decent and dependable. Had they have been, we would have probably been cemented as the 7th best team comfortably and in a season where the top 6 cam apart been well placed to move forward. Those 3 have let us down, along with to a degree Keane, increasingly Pickford etc (though he has been a bit better overall).
As you say though it doesn't mean all 27 year olds are bad. I think a lot of people are sinking into this. If the right deal is available for Coutinho, James, Allan, Koulibaly and we had the funds to do it, we should do it. I don't hold much truck for this approach that you have to do it the hipster way of signing 21 year olds and developing them. I also think, you can do things alongside one another. However 27 is peak years. If you can sign high quality players, who we feel the manager can get something out of I'm all for it. What you should be doing is paying massive premiums and long contracts for decent players.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
Re Leicester you can look at it lots of ways. You could say they had a group who won the league. What they've done well, is recognise their key man, Vardy and build an entire team around him. We didn't do that with Lukaku.
I think we too now have an Italian manager (and remember their first was an Italian cut from a similar cloth) who will probably do all he can to get the most out of our front 2. I think thats the way to go.
Thats just not true though. Like I said, 5/6 years ago they weren’t even in the same division, last 2 seasons they’ve been 2 points behind us and this season they’ll be ahead of us. How anyone can come to the conclusion they haven’t improved more than we have I really don’t know.
BillBrasky
Player Valuation: £8m
I'm cool with signing Silva as a stop gap, I believe he and Holgate could be a very solid partnership. Rotate Mina in for Silva when needed. Or go to a back three.
Mason could learn a lot from Silva.
Mason could learn a lot from Silva.
This time last year we were looking brighter than them.
They finished last season well but we were even better. We went in to the summer neck and neck squad wise but it all changed in 1 window by us losing Gueye and Zouma whilst not really kicking on.
We’re not a million miles away, it can all change again in one window especially if they lose a couple of key players this summer. Chilwell for one looks like he’ll be off.
Also, talking about the VAR decisions they got. The one against us was disgusting.
I’m not saying Leicester are the greatest team in the history of the world here, or the club everyone should be trying to emulate, simply that a team we never even would have given a second thought to 6 years ago is now at the very least equal to us. They’ve won more points than us since they came up, and are on the verge of a second CL qualification. Something we’re yet to do.
I mean I suppose we could put all that down to then getting the rub of the green with VAR but again, it seems a bit churlish.
billyblue80
Player Valuation: £70m
I didn't say that of course they've spent. But they've spent better than us one league title and a current top four position says so. They've been very clever in their purchases in the main having a Vardy helps so did having a Kante and Mahrez but while we wasted they shrewdly acquired sold and replaced. They hardly have city finances. We pissed most of the Rom money up the wall.
Can a mod delete diss please.
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